Will driving license be obsolete in the future ?

[Jimbuna]

Take a deep breath and see how far you can get

[Aktungbby]

computers aren't all they're cracked up to be. there's over 10,000 errors on average in the code for united states ballistic missile targeting systems. giving over your life to the computer is like giving it over to satan. in the future, everyone will have to get microchips on their right hand or their forehead in order to buy or sell; and if you don't get one, you can't drive or use public transportation or receive social-security or apply for college. the computer is primarily a tool of the oppressor. it is used to put things on file even. at the time we're living in, most people get their news and information from the internet; but a site can easily be deleted or shut down forever and that information is lost forever, unlike when its in a physical form. so like i said: "to trust your life every day to a computer to drive a car is insane". when the software that is supposed to synchronize the rotors on the v-22 osprey, supposedly the most advanced transportation aircraft in the world, malfunction regularly and kill a ton of people. even without cars being fully automated; to have them controlled by a central processor has caused a ton of deaths, such as the toyota scandal where the car would accelerate and wouldnt stop. and now... we live in a police state; so if the car has wireless connection, the police can just shut the car off from a distance and kill you or take you to jail like they do with rodney king and sam dubose and kelly thomas and waleter scott. well thats my two cents! see you later!

FIX'D But seriously: several famous authors dispensed with punctuation (and made money at it) http://qwiklit.com/2014/03/05/top-10-authors-who-ignored-the-basic-rules-of-punctuation/ McCarthy(No Country for Old Men) told Oprah. “I mean, if you write properly you shouldn’t have to punctuate.” With a slew of literary awards under his belt, Cormac McCarthy certainly is not one to challenge when it comes to defining “writing properly”. Faulkner’s advice to tackling it? “Read it four times.”

[Buddahaid]

This is what happens when you use a "smart" phone and don't feel like slowing down.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Here's a new word to look up: Punctuation.

e e cummings and Don Marquis would like to have a word with you...

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

This is what happens when you use a "smart" phone and don't feel like slowing down.

...also what happens when the phone is the smarter entity...


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[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

FIX'D But seriously: several famous authors dispensed with punctuation (and made money at it) http://qwiklit.com/2014/03/05/top-10-authors-who-ignored-the-basic-rules-of-punctuation/ McCarthy(No Country for Old Men) told Oprah. “I mean, if you write properly you shouldn’t have to punctuate.” With a slew of literary awards under his belt, Cormac McCarthy certainly is not one to challenge when it comes to defining “writing properly”. Faulkner’s advice to tackling it? “Read it four times.”

That(text wall) dose not read in any way like Blood Meridian or The Crossing. Just saying.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

That(text wall) dose not read in any way like Blood Meridian. Just saying.

You be right. My favorite western.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

That(text wall) dose not read in any way like Blood Meridian or The Crossing. Just saying.

Originally Posted by u crank

You be right. My favorite western.

True 'nuff! But we at cannot be responsible for traumatizing the next budding young Becket in his/her formative years! Now: uncroossed T's, undotted I's, and missing umlaüts...that's "inexcusable"!

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Putting on my Election Officer hat...

/thread derail

Driving licenses won't become obsolete as they are the most common form of ID used when casting a vote in an election. Hint Hint

Tuesday is Election day in many of the states. Hint Hint hint.

Please vote. Hint Hint Hint hint

/thread re-rail

A little question: What is legal status of driver's license in US? Here in Finland driver's license is not legal ID document, only official ID card and passport are. This despite fact that previously driver's licenses were issued by police (now by Trafi). In practice however there is no major difference: both are accepted as proof of age in night clubs, liquor stores etc. or as proof of identity in banks (as far as I know, I don't have driver's license so don't know for sure of banks).

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

A little question: What is legal status of driver's license in US? Here in Finland driver's license is not legal ID document, only official ID card and passport are. This despite fact that previously driver's licenses were issued by police (now by Trafi). In practice however there is no major difference: both are accepted as proof of age in night clubs, liquor stores etc. or as proof of identity in banks (as far as I know, I don't have driver's license so don't know for sure of banks).

An interesting question.

In the US, there is no single identification document that applies to all citizens. Members of the military have federal military ID cards and citizens who choose to travel passports. But neither of those conditions pertain to the majority of citizens.

The only federal document that the majority (but not all) citizens have is their Social Security Administration Identify Card (commonly called Social Security Card). But since this card does not have a picture on it, it only serves to help identify someone when associated with other forms of picture ID.

Identification documents are normally at the State level. But even State issued ID documents are not required. As I wrote before, if a citizen wishes to use a service they may be required to have ID, but it is still possible to live, albeit getting more difficult, without a state issued ID.

Since most people drive in the US and in order to operate a motor vehicle on the public roads, a citizen must have and carry a driver's license, the DL has become a de facto "ID card" in the US.

Citizens who choose not to drive can get a State ID card to carry if they so wish.

One of the more contentious issues is whether the police have the right to stop a citizen and ask "let me see your papers!". That conservation gets people spun up more than guns in this country.

This all originated from the basis of our country. Originally we were truly a union of individual states, hence the name United States of America. The original intent was that each state would be responsible for what happens inside its borders and that the federal government would only handle those specific inter-state issues.

Unfortunately/fortunately, there has been a movement for the past 150 years to move toward what could be accurately called "the United Federation of America where the federal government has much more authority inside each individual state.

Now there are advantages and disadvantages to the United Federation of America.

However,it is my opinion that a move from the United States of America to the United Federation of America needs to be done wittingly and with the express consent of the citizens. Unfortunately, the transition to the UFA has been by a series of tiny (and not so tiny) steps for the past 150 years stating with the implementation of the Incorporation Doctrine with respect to the US Constitution--- a decision never put directly to the citizens for approval.

So right now, the State issued Driver's license/ID card is the closest thing to a nationally accepted ID card.

IN 2005, the US Congress passed the REA LID Act (PL 109-13) which was designed to implement some standard in the different state issued ID. Before 2005, there was no real interstate standardization of state issued ID cards-- each state did it their way.

One of the major complaints of the REAL ID Act was that by the federal government mandating interstate standardization, this was creating a de facto national ID card. The counter to this is that each state controls and keeps the identifying information. The counter to this counter is that the states share information freely between themselves and federal government.

Things are seldom easy in the USA/UFA.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Platapus

An interesting question.

In the US, there is no single identification document that applies to all citizens. Members of the military have federal military ID cards and citizens who choose to travel passports. But neither of those conditions pertain to the majority of citizens.


Since most people drive in the US and in order to operate a motor vehicle on the public roads, a citizen must have and carry a driver's license, the DL has become a de facto "ID card" in the US.




One of the major complaints of the REAL ID Act was that by the federal government mandating interstate standardization, this was creating a de facto national ID card. The counter to this is that each state controls and keeps the identifying information. The counter to this counter is that the states share information freely between themselves and federal government.

Things are seldom easy in the USA/UFA.

I don't think driver licenses are going away; they are the basic Amerikan police state ID card. Case in point: while on the job I was asked for ID by a well-meaning but nosey MARIN County gendarme who "asked for ID". So no problem: I pulled out my USA PASSPORT CARD which is the finest ID on the planet, and gave it to him. He thanked me and then asked for the driver license as he could not deal with a passport ID. Naturally, being on foot on my own turf with no time for rigamarole (also spelled rigmarole), I said "I'm not driving and you have the best ID in the world as per your request sir." And so it goes in small towns across "Merika". The officer was not amused...but his partner was. Even in 'Merika: I had complied and you only have to comply...ONCE!

Precisely. The driver license is the universal American ID as police cruiser's computers are tied to it for convenient field work. In social security offices, I've accepted YMCA cards with a photo or even credit cards with photos to those who been robbed of wallets and are replacing lost or stolen S.S. cards.(birth certificates are preferred) The latest passport card, I use for land travel only, to Mexico or Canada, is pretty technically advanced counterfeit-wise...I see it as the coming thing for an Amerikan 'universal ID'. Still it's not something an officer can readily tie into on his computer...yet. In California at least , when a Peace Officer asks you for ID, you are required to comply.

[Rockstar]

A drivers license is also source of revenue for the state and job security for bureaucrats. So no, I dont think it will never go away.

On a side note, I know states have changed most of their fishery law to conform to that of the federal laws too.

[mapuc]

OK, maybe not obsolete, maybe a new kind of driving license in the future

I also forgot the differences in how this license is used and how your get it.

In Sweden-Where I got my license, you have to master in theory and practice 12 modules The day you are doing the driving test, you do not know which of these twelve modules driving instructor test you on.

And its almost the same in Denmark

It was this I had in my mind when I wrote this thread and had a fresh memory of these future car program in my head.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by mapuc

OK, maybe not obsolete, maybe a new kind of driving license in the future

I also forgot the differences in how this license is used and how your get it.

In Sweden-Where I got my license, you have to master in theory and practice 12 modules The day you are doing the driving test, you do not know which of these twelve modules driving instructor test you on.

And its almost the same in Denmark

It was this I had in my mind when I wrote this thread and had a fresh memory of these future car program in my head.

Markus

With my luck, I'd get the snow/ice and putting on tire chains module!

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

With my luck, I'd get the snow/ice and putting on tire chains module!

I forgot one module every one has to do and has to get cleared before the driving test it is the slippery roads courses
This module was added to the driving school in the 80s due to many accident in the winter and that many of the victims didn't really knew what to do when their car started to sliding on the roadway

Markus

[August]

So I guess being able to pull Brodies doesn't impress them?