The US Navy's Worst Nightmare: Super Advanced Russian Submarines

Mr Quatro · 10-31-15, 01:05 PM

A sound in the ocean is just that a sound in the ocean ... the US Navy I suspect by now has captured every sound that an enemy combat capable ship ( including Russian and Chinese) submarines, has made.

The sonar soundmen on submarines (not surface ships yet) then consults his sound graph reader called a BQQ-13 and based on machinery noise alone can classify any contact.

The real problem is what is the range of said contact to add in to the firing configuration, but with a active ranging torpedo all you have to do is fire it in the general direction based on one contact of course or it would attack anything in the ocean.

Submarines are great, but it really depends on the sonarman and the captain doing his job correctly.

Unless they are already on patrol the Russians will never make it through it's transit zones to go to war.nor will the US Navy's submarines in Washington and Virgina and Georgia. Perhaps Pearl and Guam might get a few out.

Then you have nasty things called mines that can be planted to come up and smack anything they are programed to hear.

The point is these things are made to protect the mother country and we will probably never know which side wins.

Don't be afraid be ready

Go Navy

ikalugin · 10-31-15, 02:47 PM

First of all, there are no accurate sound profiles for the 885M, primarily because there are none in service.

Second, US subs are not magical (nor are the Russian subs magical), nor are they focused on the Arctic region (with the pivot to Pacific), where those SSNs/SSGNs would be deployed. In general I think that submarines (of both RuN and USN) have a fairly good chance of leaving their basing locations, unless we are talking about a surprise nuclear attack.

Kapitan · 11-01-15, 02:10 AM

I think westerners under estimate the Russians on a very big level, project 855M is very capable and very quiet and is defiantly a lot quieter than a 688i heck even the akula project 971 is know to be quieter !

the worst thing we can do is under estimate our opponent and the USN portrays Russia as a backward Bankrupt nation who's ships rust at the pier break down and can never be deployed.

Well here in is the fact, despite the break up of the USSR Russia in terms of tonnage maintains the 2nd largest navy on earth it is blue water capable and it is still a big threat but like iklugin said they do need to invest more in the surface units !

ikalugin · 11-01-15, 11:59 AM

Interesting thing - with 4 SSNs comming out of repairs out availiable SSN force would go from 1 Sierra series, 1 Akula series and 2 Victor-IVs to 4 Akula series, 2 Sierra series and 2 Victor-IVs.

Plus there are atleast 4 Akulas in or awaiting modernisation, as well as 2 more Sierras.

10-31-15, 01:05 PM	#1
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	A sound in the ocean is just that a sound in the ocean ... the US Navy I suspect by now has captured every sound that an enemy combat capable ship ( including Russian and Chinese) submarines, has made. The sonar soundmen on submarines (not surface ships yet) then consults his sound graph reader called a BQQ-13 and based on machinery noise alone can classify any contact. The real problem is what is the range of said contact to add in to the firing configuration, but with a active ranging torpedo all you have to do is fire it in the general direction based on one contact of course or it would attack anything in the ocean. Submarines are great, but it really depends on the sonarman and the captain doing his job correctly. Unless they are already on patrol the Russians will never make it through it's transit zones to go to war.nor will the US Navy's submarines in Washington and Virgina and Georgia. Perhaps Pearl and Guam might get a few out. Then you have nasty things called mines that can be planted to come up and smack anything they are programed to hear. The point is these things are made to protect the mother country and we will probably never know which side wins. Don't be afraid be ready Go Navy __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

10-31-15, 02:47 PM	#2
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	First of all, there are no accurate sound profiles for the 885M, primarily because there are none in service. Second, US subs are not magical (nor are the Russian subs magical), nor are they focused on the Arctic region (with the pivot to Pacific), where those SSNs/SSGNs would be deployed. In general I think that submarines (of both RuN and USN) have a fairly good chance of leaving their basing locations, unless we are talking about a surprise nuclear attack. __________________ Grumpy as always. Last edited by ikalugin; 10-31-15 at 07:45 PM.

11-01-15, 02:10 AM	#3
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	I think westerners under estimate the Russians on a very big level, project 855M is very capable and very quiet and is defiantly a lot quieter than a 688i heck even the akula project 971 is know to be quieter ! the worst thing we can do is under estimate our opponent and the USN portrays Russia as a backward Bankrupt nation who's ships rust at the pier break down and can never be deployed. Well here in is the fact, despite the break up of the USSR Russia in terms of tonnage maintains the 2nd largest navy on earth it is blue water capable and it is still a big threat but like iklugin said they do need to invest more in the surface units ! __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

11-01-15, 11:59 AM	#4
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Interesting thing - with 4 SSNs comming out of repairs out availiable SSN force would go from 1 Sierra series, 1 Akula series and 2 Victor-IVs to 4 Akula series, 2 Sierra series and 2 Victor-IVs. Plus there are atleast 4 Akulas in or awaiting modernisation, as well as 2 more Sierras. __________________ Grumpy as always.