Why do we love submarines ?

Kapitan · 10-24-15, 10:18 AM

Many of us here are "naval nerds" and we have our special boats that we love and we also tend to have our own era that we like to talk about.
Obviously I am a big fan of Russian design and built Ships and submarines and my era is the cold war to modern day so i cant comprehend to much when people ask me about sailing ships like the 3 masted schooner or the frigate.

So what is it that drives you to love Naval bits? well for me I have had a good sense of what systems are what given that I have been able to jump borders so to speak what attracts me to Russian designs rather than the western designs (I am from the UK) is the design element everything looks different than anything any one else produces.

Delta IV SSBN by Blair shaw, on Flickr

Project 949A Antey by Blair shaw, on Flickr

For example there is nothing like this in the west design wise so thats the reason i prefer the Russian stuff.

So what got you guys into it former service? general interest? perhapse family? do explain

Oberon · 10-24-15, 10:38 AM

Good question really.

I do recall I got a book on submarines from my Aunt and Uncle when I was a young lad, good book too, explained about sonar and active sonar, SINS and the like.
Played Silent Service on the NES when I was about the same age too, but oddly my interest always seemed to drift more towards modern submarines, especially after reading the abridged version of To Kill the Potemkin. Then got Fast Attack for the PC and watched Hunt for Red October, and after that was Sub Command and Subsim.

What do I like about it?
The stalking mainly. I'm not fussed if I don't fire weapons at all, but stalking an enemy submarine, getting a good solution without it detecting you in return. That's good fun.

Aktungbby · 10-24-15, 10:49 AM

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what systems are what given that I have been able to jump borders so to speak

Same here! I love boats; sail every week; and play the sims; When I SCUBA ...I am the submarine's engine & navigator. No two ways about it! A one man Nautilas; The mask to see with; the fins to propel with-no battery skooter for me...yet; the tank and regulator for respiration with; lights to see with; depth, nitrogen timer, air guage and compass to calculate time at depth: essentially in a self-contained neoprene mancave with 30 lbs lead ballast 100 feet down (hey at least I'm well insulated

) at 32 degrees... only it's pressurized nitrogen not CO2 that's the problem. Like the game, everything, especially at night is ongoing: must be monitored constantly and no errors of judgment are advisable...hypothermia, bends, embolism or nitrogen-narcosis being the primary concerns.

Time limit: 25 minutes....

Armistead · 10-24-15, 11:01 AM

Since a kid, always loved history. Not sure why I like subs so much over other games, guess it's because the tactics are so different.

Sure wish they'd make a Silent Hunter COOP where we could have several players in one sub.

Oberon · 10-24-15, 11:07 AM

Dangerous Waters has that but it's modern sub, would be interesting in a WWII boat, definitely. Have had some fun multi-crewing a Kilo with Raptor and Arclight before, even if the Russian sonar screen drives me crazy.

Betonov · 10-24-15, 11:48 AM

They're a succesfull underdog.

Underpowered, underarmed and undermaned. No match for the glorius capital ships and carriers.
But they did the job remarkably well. And were feared. It was a game of chess, not a game of guns.
Tacticaly of course. Even between capital ships was a chess game on a strategical level.

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 10-24-15, 11:53 AM

I've always liked subs because they're a bit unconventional since subs are effectively boats designed to go underwater for the purpose of sinking enemy vessels and to do so without being detected by the enemy. Subs are to the Navy as snipers are to the Marine Corps and the Army, their purposes are similar to sneak, stalk and kill without being discovered and if they are discovered, to escape and evade.

vienna · 10-24-15, 12:29 PM

Freud would have a theory on why we like subs, but most of us wouldn't want to hear it...

<O>

Aktungbby · 10-24-15, 01:06 PM

^ Well a torpedo is a torpedo after all! My ID is governed by a well aimed 'ETO' whilst my SUPER-EGO stops me from sinking hospital ships and neutral shipping.

Mr Quatro · 10-24-15, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

So what is it that drives you to love Naval bits?

So what got you guys into it former service? general interest? perhapse family? do explain

Without sounding gay ... I think it's the men that volunteered for submarine service knowing full well
that a chance does excist for a one way trip straight down due to accidents or naval combat.

They have to be more intelligent than the normal sailor (officers or enlisted men) and they have to be loose and not uptight.

of course I'm a little prejudice with my grandfather having
served diesel and nuc's back in the 60's and early 70's.

Plus all of the submarine movies have a bit of romance about them.

The submarine itself is just a huck of steel with wires and stuff inside. The men add the element of surprise.

The body is dead without the spirit and so is a submarine with good men.

CCIP · 10-24-15, 08:19 PM

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I like submarines because they make for good simulation games

When it comes to submarines themselves, I always thought that they were, in a way, completely insane. Putting a few dozen people in a metal tube with a lot of very volatile equipment and weapons is crazy, and it fascinates me just how far we as people are willing to go to find creative and unusual ways of killing each other. However, all of this makes for some really fascinating scenarios and human interest stories.

I was a fan since first playing Silent Service at age 9

10-24-15, 09:17 PM

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Can't put in words why exactly I fall for submarines... but that picture you posted kinda sums it up. There is a certain flair around it and it gives me goose bumps... and makes me wanna play DW again.

Buddahaid · 10-24-15, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

^ Well a torpedo is a torpedo after all! My ID is governed by a well aimed 'ETO' whilst my SUPER-EGO stops me from sinking hospital ships and neutral shipping.

Sink 'em with my pink torpedo!

I just grew up with a family history of civilian Mare Island shipyard employees. Mare Island was pretty much all about subs post war and I attended the launch of SSBN-642 USS Kamehameha in 1965. I find them fascinating as earthbound spacecraft if nothing else, plus I'm also attracted to the lurching naval sniper aspect.

Onkel Neal · 10-24-15, 10:29 PM

Good thread. For me, A submarine is the only kind of naval vessel that truly masters the sea. It can sail about on the surface and also deep below whenever it chooses.

Eichhörnchen · 10-25-15, 03:29 AM

WW2 sub movies were always my favourite war films, hence my first sims were the Silent Hunter series, but it's the "open world" nature of the submarine simulator which appeals to me: you can go anywhere you want, whenever you want, attack whomever you wish and with whatever submarine you choose.

Also, even though I'm not into strategy games, I do enjoy having to be mindful as captain of the management of the vessel.

10-24-15, 10:18 AM	#1
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Why do we love submarines ? Many of us here are "naval nerds" and we have our special boats that we love and we also tend to have our own era that we like to talk about. Obviously I am a big fan of Russian design and built Ships and submarines and my era is the cold war to modern day so i cant comprehend to much when people ask me about sailing ships like the 3 masted schooner or the frigate. So what is it that drives you to love Naval bits? well for me I have had a good sense of what systems are what given that I have been able to jump borders so to speak what attracts me to Russian designs rather than the western designs (I am from the UK) is the design element everything looks different than anything any one else produces. Delta IV SSBN by Blair shaw, on Flickr Project 949A Antey by Blair shaw, on Flickr For example there is nothing like this in the west design wise so thats the reason i prefer the Russian stuff. So what got you guys into it former service? general interest? perhapse family? do explain __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

10-24-15, 11:01 AM	#4
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Since a kid, always loved history. Not sure why I like subs so much over other games, guess it's because the tactics are so different. Sure wish they'd make a Silent Hunter COOP where we could have several players in one sub. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

10-24-15, 11:53 AM	#7
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,279 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	I've always liked subs because they're a bit unconventional since subs are effectively boats designed to go underwater for the purpose of sinking enemy vessels and to do so without being detected by the enemy. Subs are to the Navy as snipers are to the Marine Corps and the Army, their purposes are similar to sneak, stalk and kill without being discovered and if they are discovered, to escape and evade. __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin

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vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,713 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Freud would have a theory on why we like subs, but most of us wouldn't want to hear it... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

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Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 30,020 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	^ Well a torpedo is a torpedo after all! My ID is governed by a well aimed 'ETO' whilst my SUPER-EGO stops me from sinking hospital ships and neutral shipping. __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!!

10-24-15, 10:38 AM	#2
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Good question really. I do recall I got a book on submarines from my Aunt and Uncle when I was a young lad, good book too, explained about sonar and active sonar, SINS and the like. Played Silent Service on the NES when I was about the same age too, but oddly my interest always seemed to drift more towards modern submarines, especially after reading the abridged version of To Kill the Potemkin. Then got Fast Attack for the PC and watched Hunt for Red October, and after that was Sub Command and Subsim. What do I like about it? The stalking mainly. I'm not fussed if I don't fire weapons at all, but stalking an enemy submarine, getting a good solution without it detecting you in return. That's good fun.

10-24-15, 11:07 AM	#5
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Dangerous Waters has that but it's modern sub, would be interesting in a WWII boat, definitely. Have had some fun multi-crewing a Kilo with Raptor and Arclight before, even if the Russian sonar screen drives me crazy.

10-24-15, 11:48 AM	#6
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	They're a succesfull underdog. Underpowered, underarmed and undermaned. No match for the glorius capital ships and carriers. But they did the job remarkably well. And were feared. It was a game of chess, not a game of guns. Tacticaly of course. Even between capital ships was a chess game on a strategical level.

10-24-15, 08:19 PM	#11
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	This might be an unpopular opinion, but I like submarines because they make for good simulation games When it comes to submarines themselves, I always thought that they were, in a way, completely insane. Putting a few dozen people in a metal tube with a lot of very volatile equipment and weapons is crazy, and it fascinates me just how far we as people are willing to go to find creative and unusual ways of killing each other. However, all of this makes for some really fascinating scenarios and human interest stories. I was a fan since first playing Silent Service at age 9 __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

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Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Good thread. For me, A submarine is the only kind of naval vessel that truly masters the sea. It can sail about on the surface and also deep below whenever it chooses. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

10-25-15, 03:29 AM	#15
Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 17,399 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	WW2 sub movies were always my favourite war films, hence my first sims were the Silent Hunter series, but it's the "open world" nature of the submarine simulator which appeals to me: you can go anywhere you want, whenever you want, attack whomever you wish and with whatever submarine you choose. Also, even though I'm not into strategy games, I do enjoy having to be mindful as captain of the management of the vessel. __________________