Russia's navy is falling apart

[ikalugin]

TLDR - existing old ships have to stay for a while because we can't replace them quickly enough even if we did pour money into shipbuilding, plus they are cost effective with refits and thus some of them (ie Kirovs) do not need replacement.

[ikalugin]

You also may like this:
http://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/89704.html
View of Russian Navy.

[Kapitan]

While i understand fully that the Russians are unable to at a stroke clear the entire fleet and make way over night for a new fleet i just feel a lot of money is being wasted on projects that are of little use value or importance.

For example the main replacement for the Sovremenny class destroyers the project 956 ships have not yet even left the drawing board nor have they been granted any sort of follow up, i believe that this one project alone is the major project that should have the immediate focus on.

Russia currently has to my knowledge a total of just 5 of these vessels still in active use that means at least 10 have been laid up, these vessels are the main ASUW AAW escort platforms without these it leaves the entire fleet wide open, and its something the Kirov and Slava cannot fill.

as for the carrier they need to revisit this after they sort out the ships needed to escort it i think plus the funding issue right now isn't the best.

Also brought to my attention is the fact that Sevmash is the only place really that can repair or refit a carrier and to my knowledge they are not able to build one there given that the kievs and kuznetsovs were built in ukraine and they dont have the facilities to do so, so you will require new facilities which is going to take a long time to build and also even longer to build this carrier it reminds me of ulyonsk.

on a lighter note im off to see the fabulous red army choir in lyon in two weeks time.

[ikalugin]

By the looks of it Leader class would be more of a Slava class replacement, with the Gorshkov class (and Gorshkov class follow ups) replacing Sovremeny's and Udaloys.

In total we have 8 operational Udaloys and 3 operational Sovremenys. This means that we have a requirement for 8 (replacement of Udaloys 1 for 1), 11 (replacement of both the Udaloys and Sovremenys 1 for 1) or 22 (replacement of both classes 2 for 1).
The first option appears to be within the GPV2020. In my opinion the fist and second options would be complete by 2025 (including Gorshkov class follow ups) and the 3rd could be complete by 2030.

[ikalugin]

3K22 weapon is confirmed for ther ЗS-14-11442М and modified 3S-14-22350 launchers. My guess is that it would be integrated to all 3S-14 (aka UKSK) launchers.

The integration assumes tests with the 3М22GММ mock ups complete by the end of December, 2016. This implies that the desighn is fairly advanced.

[Kapitan]

It looks as though alot of the western analysts are a bit stunned as they didnt expect to see the numbers coming out of the shipyards so quickly and so soon, if they replace udaloy and sovremenny with gorshkovs i still see a lack of ASuW ability which could under mine the whole new building programme.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

It looks as though alot of the western analysts are a bit stunned as they didnt expect to see the numbers coming out of the shipyards so quickly and so soon, if they replace udaloy and sovremenny with gorshkovs i still see a lack of ASuW ability which could under mine the whole new building programme.

Gorshkov class carries 16 UKSK cells, which could carry AShMs. Even if it carries 8 Yahonts it is still an improvement in terms of ASuW capability over Sovremeny class. And then you get the hypersonics capability in the future.

So 1 for 1 replacement for the Udaloys and Sovremenys would be ok ish, 2 for 1 replcement would be nice.

Subsim, do you read the articles you add?
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/...116-story.html

An unspecified number of large, ballistic missile-armed amphibious assault ships