Gun Control thread (merged many)

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Oberon

.....The Jack Thompson approach. I guess that is one approach, but you're not supposed to drink alcohol, take drugs or have sex until the age of consent either and how many people follow those laws? How do you police such a thing in an era when everyone has a smart phone and the social media is built in.

That is pretty much what I referred to earlier about determined people that was so well received and taken as apathy. Seems you have made my point for me.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

That is pretty much what I referred to earlier about determined people that was so well received and taken as apathy. Seems you have made my point for me.

It's all about tools though, if a person determined to create a mass incident is unable to access a firearm then what else will he use? Usually it's a knife or a sword, now compare and contrast how many people an untrained person can kill with a gun to how many people an untrained person can kill with a knife, time how long each incident takes from start to finish.

Here's a good article:
http://harvardpolitics.com/special_features/gun.html

At the bottom of it there's an interesting set of statistics which I will screenshot and post here:



Food for thought.

[Betonov]

Bosnia and Herzergovina: 1
The time frame on that table means the data includes the war period.
12 course meal for thought.

[Buddahaid]

You could drive a car onto a crowded sidewalk, or into any crowd for that matter.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

You could drive a car onto a crowded sidewalk, or into any crowd for that matter.

And people do...but not as frequently as they take a gun into a crowded place and open up.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Oberon

And people do...but not as frequently as they take a gun into a crowded place and open up.

I'm wondering how many of those school shootings were gang related. The definition used was one dead with more victims intended.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I'm wondering how many of those school shootings were gang related. The definition used was one dead with more victims intended.

Gangs are not a purely American problem.

August, that article was going well until

Oddly, the political left, which demands more federal gun control in the hope of protecting life, adamantly supports abortion. Over the past four decades or so, some 53 million abortions have taken place in the U.S. Whatever your position on abortion, whether you believe that which is taken is life or just tissue, there is a collective psychic cost to it all.

Then it fell over. But certainly there is a more violent culture today than many years ago, although to be honest there has always been a violent undertone in culture, it's just more at the forefront these days than before. Why is this? No idea, current people blame social media, before that it was games, before that it was televisions, before that it was movies, and before that it was music.

[August]

This is an interesting article which attempts to move past the control debate and get into the heart of the real problem.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...02-column.html

Shooting in Oregon another sign our culture is ill

A madman kills nine people in Oregon and the world seems to stop and gun control is demanded. But in Chicago, the killings are marginalized, as barbarians mow people down, with thousands shot in a town with strict gun laws, and the politicians do little if anything.

There is no national conversation from Chicago. The national political stars stay away. Even the president isn't engaged much. There is silence.
What the president certainly understands, what politicians don't tell the people, is that Chicago political corruption has a cost. And that leaves less money to pay for longer incarcerations for gun crimes, let alone any space to institutionalize the dangerously mentally ill.


So it's a game, here, everywhere. And right now I'm less interested in arguments about competing rights — the right to bear arms colliding with the supposed rights of psychotics to wander freely among us — than I am about the culture.


Because for all the talk of gun control and rights and politics, the one thing I don't hear enough about is that our culture is ill.
Oddly, the political left, which demands more federal gun control in the hope of protecting life, adamantly supports abortion. Over the past four decades or so, some 53 million abortions have taken place in the U.S. Whatever your position on abortion, whether you believe that which is taken is life or just tissue, there is a collective psychic cost to it all.
Our most popular sport, football, is about ritualized, gladiatorial violence. Our most popular movies are called "action movies," but truly they should be called "kill movies" for all the corpses they produce, piles of them.


Our humor is rhetorically violent. Our popular music just as violent. We're addicted to social media, where anonymity breeds a freedom to ridicule others, to peel their skin with venomous fingers from unknown keyboards. And we give our children phones at young ages so they may play, too.


Is there a cost to all of this? Sometimes a tragedy like what happened in Oregon makes denial all but impossible.

11-year-old Tennessee boy shoots 8-year-old girl over argument about puppy

"The boy took the shotgun out of a closet, where it was kept unlocked"

Since stricter gun laws are nonsense, according to most conservatives, the only solution would have been to arm the girl too, so she would have had a chance to defend herself... right?



... do I at least start to get it now?

[August]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

11-year-old Tennessee boy shoots 8-year-old girl over argument about puppy

"The boy took the shotgun out of a closet, where it was kept unlocked"

Since stricter gun laws are nonsense, according to most conservatives, the only solution would have been to arm the girl too, so she would have had a chance to defend herself... right?



... do I at least start to get it now?

I guess you'd feel better if he stabbed her to death?

Originally Posted by August

I guess you'd feel better if he stabbed her to death?

What? No? I would have preferred a car...

[Buddahaid]

The gun was not stored legally so the gun owner will face charges. See there is a law.

[August]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

What? No? I would have preferred a car...

Point is this was not a case of kids playing around, this kid had it out for the victim and would just have found another way to do it.

Edit And what Buddahaid said...

Originally Posted by August

Point is this was not a case of kids playing around, this kid had it out for the victim and would just have found another way to do it.

[citation needed]

[August]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

[citation needed]

You did read more than the title of the article you linked right?