Gun Control thread (merged many)

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I've said my piece, and no doubt I'll get shat on for saying it, but please America...stop killing yourselves.

Tell Ya what, I'll give up my firearms just as soon as you allow a migrant family from morrocco or syria occupancy in your home or backyard.

btw I'm a gun owner and an American and Im not killing myself.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Tell Ya what, I'll give up my firearms just as soon as you allow a migrant family from morrocco or syria occupancy in your home or backyard.

Yeah, so related and on topic...

Originally Posted by Rockstar

btw I'm a gun owner and an American and Im not killing myself.

You knew exactly what and how he meant it.
You're just butthurt that some europoors criticize Murica.
How about not taking this personal, leaving nationalism aside and focus on the problem?
There is a problem, is there not?

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Yeah, so related and on topic...

Point is, Talk is cheap.

You knew exactly what and how he meant it.
You're just butthurt that some europoors criticize Murica.
How about not taking this personal, leaving nationalism aside and focus on the problem?
There is a problem, is there not?

No problem, no butthurt either, criticize all you want and have fun doing it. I just wanted to point out not all 316 million Americans are killing themselves. We all know how blanket statements like that are in poor taste and need to be pointed out.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Tell Ya what, I'll give up my firearms just as soon as you allow a migrant family from morrocco or syria occupancy in your home or backyard.
.

Don't say that! There are African/Middle Eastern migrants headed his way as we speak, don't make that promise.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Don't say that! There are African/Middle Eastern migrants headed his way as we speak, don't make that promise.

Nice one

My attempt at injecting a little humour....

Hundreds of refugees, fleeing violence in their own country, arrived in the UK today.

On various flights from America.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Nice one

My attempt at injecting a little humour....

Hundreds of refugees, fleeing violence in their own country, arrived in the UK today.

On various flights from America.

Make them welcome there, and tell them not to come back.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Make them welcome there, and tell them not to come back.

The one guy I know and did that was made welcome and wouldn't go back if you payed him

[Onkel Neal]

Good, glad to hear it. Want more?

[Betonov]

If they're experianced and/or have a trade, sure

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Nice one

My attempt at injecting a little humour....

Hundreds of refugees, fleeing violence in their own country, arrived in the UK today.

On various flights from America.

Ah, then our plan is working...


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[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Tell Ya what, I'll give up my firearms just as soon as you allow a migrant family from morrocco or syria occupancy in your home or backyard.

btw I'm a gun owner and an American and Im not killing myself.

Ok.

My country is taking 20,000 refugees over the next five years, with many people lobbying for us to take more. We're putting money into improving the refugee camps in the nations surrounding Syria, in particular Lebanon.

What, exactly, has your nation done to reduce the number of mass shootings per year?

[Oberon]

In better news, and before we tred down oft trodden paths.



This is Chris Mintz, a US army vet, was his sons birthday when the attack happened, he charged the shooter to help save others and took seven bullets in the upper back, left hand, abdomen and both legs.
Get better soon Mr Mintz and thank you, I hope you and your son can celebrate his birthday together soon.

[August]

Anyone looking for reasons should start with the killers own words:

"I have noticed that so many people like him (the Virginia news crew killer) are all alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems the more people you kill, the more you're in the limelight."

These monsters feed off each other and the media, eager for ratings and damn the consequences, are happy to provide the fodder.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

Anyone looking for reasons should start with the killers own words:

"I have noticed that so many people like him (the Virginia news crew killer) are all alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems the more people you kill, the more you're in the limelight."

These monsters feed off each other and the media, eager for ratings and damn the consequences, are happy to provide the fodder.

I think that's definitely part of the problem, but not the whole problem.
Our media is just as bad, take a look on youtube at clips from all the programs that were aired during and after our last mass-shooting:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Raoul+moat
I mean, this was treated as a big thing in the UK, even though by American standards it was pretty small fry, 2 dead and 2 injured.
Admittedly, I think part of the focus was because it happened only one month after another nutjob went postal in a much bigger way, and here's the same media frenzy:
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...bria+shootings

Ok, it's perhaps not quite as frothing at the mouth as the US media gets, with all their special graphics and talking heads, but between that and twitter, it's not that far off. The end result is the same, the guy gets their name out there for a good time, gets their own wikipedia entry and eternal fame.

So...why does it happen with such a frequency in the US as opposed to elsewhere? What are the differing factors? If the US and the UK has similar media treatment of spree killers (you should have seen the fuss over the Ipswich Ripper incident never seen so much press in Ipswich before) then why does the UK not see more spree killings?

Personally, I think that there is a trifecta of issues, the firearms, mental health care and the press. Unless you treat all three of the issues, then the other two will mean that the issue won't go away but will just morph into another way. Ban the press from reporting it, and people will go on the internet where you can't ban it, ban firearms and people will probably switch to knives, fix mental health care and you might reduce the number but probably not by as much as would be possible under a three pronged approach.
Of course, the 1st and 2nd Amendments are the key factors in two of the three issues and those will be the hardest to examine and deal with.

However, just writing the problem off as being natural or just a part of life, becoming numb and normalised to it...I don't think that's a healthy way for a country to go.