Europe's migrant problem

Rockstar · 09-11-15, 03:21 PM

Let me guess our two crusaders for humanity are probably sipping tea and crumpets and the other indulging in some tapas and wine for a snack. Talking of great societies, peace, brotherly love, patience, and tolerance. Mocking those who are living something different than your own. Taking egreat exception to others frustration of crisis that is quickly turning into a complete 'Charlie Foxtrot'. They're nazis, mad I say, just look at them!

Just a reminder for you great humanitarians. BRITAIN, an island, closed the tunnel off and said it would only take in 20,000 Syrian refugees by the end of the current Parliament's term in 2020.

Spain, hardly an option for refugees since its surrounded by water and a mountain range. How many have made it to your shores? None. Only after being pressured has 'the city of hugs' taken in a mere 2,800 refugees.

Hardly the burden you seem expect others to bear with all brotherly love and tolerance. I imagine if either of your two countries were anticipating 800,000 refugees this year alone. You too would be frustrated ranting on about screwed up things are.

"God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in his shoes 'Cause then you really might know what it's like to sing the blues"

Betonov · 09-11-15, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Let me guess...

Don't. You'd only be wrong again.

About the Saudis and the mosques. Don't send any to Slovenia, the way our construction busineses operate, 2/3 of the bricks will end up in summer homes for the managers

CCIP · 09-11-15, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

"God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in his shoes 'Cause then you really might know what it's like to sing the blues"

Wise words, you should apply them to yourself.

And as someone who's grown up in poverty in a collapsing country, and was then forced to leave it and can't even return to it for political reasons, believe me, I've walked the talk. And I don't know what country you assume I live in, because we have the highest proportion of foreign-born residents and citizens of any large state in the world. Or what contact I have with refugees and immigrants, considering I live in a neighbourhood that is predominantly Somali and Pakistani, and work with a lot of people from the Middle East at work - many of whom fled from places like Iran, Iraq, Palestine and Syria for reasons beyond their control. Let alone anything else you assume about my experience or place in life. Plus, I've not touched wine or any other alcohol for years now, nor have I ever had a crumpet

Oh yes, I do indeed pity those poor, poor frustrated racists.

09-11-15, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCIP

Wise words, you should apply them to yourself.

Exactly what I thought.

Betonov · 09-11-15, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

Dr Pepper actually, and I had a nice kebab earlier. How about that for cross-cultural boundaries?

pfffffff, English kebab

The best kebab is found in the 7 countries south of Austria

ikalugin · 09-11-15, 04:57 PM

On some other forum it was mentioned that EU may attempt to create a buffer zone in Med, to slow down the refugee flow.

What is the opinion regarding it here?

ikalugin · 09-11-15, 05:27 PM

Realistically EU can soak up any likely refugee flow and absorb it, the problem could occur if that refugee flow was directed in it's entirety to some sort of small EU member, such as Norway.
Otherwise ethnic balance could not be radically changed, though ofc there is that nigh impossible worst case scenario where EU receives atleast 30+ m immigrants and those show african style birth rates with EU style mortality over 3 generations without being assimilated into local culture/way of life.

CCIP · 09-11-15, 05:32 PM

I also agree that a flood of refugees is not sustainable and we need solutions other than just "let them in" - that's a very short-term "fix" if a fix at all. Yeah, this isn't going to be easy. But I think what's needed is responsible politics, not a kneejerk reaction to the "barbarian hordes" that are about to make Europe collapse or something.

Rockstar · 09-11-15, 05:54 PM

Was doing some figerin'.

Germany is 137,847 square miles and is just a little smaller than the Great State of Montana which has an area of 147,042 square miles. Population wise Germany has 80.62 million people which is slightly more than California, Texas and Florida combined. Montana has a population of only 1.02 million

Dang its get tin crowded over there. Maybe you should move over here Skybird. There's still strong traditional German populations residing in Minnesota, Wisconsin and points in the mid west area. Everyone lives in a haus with a maus and if you live on the lake you can sail your boot too! And nobody will make fun of your accent, you'll fit right in.

mapuc · 09-11-15, 06:07 PM

Here's a story from Denmark

We had a little refugees crisis-until the refugees found a direct way to Sweden.

Many known people went out to help these refugees and after they had done this they wrote about this on FB they wrote how good they are etc

Makes me wonder, why these people didn't do the right thing-travel to one of many refugees camp in the Middle east and help them down there-they are, in my perspective, people who are in desperate need.

Markus

Rockstar · 09-11-15, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

Here's a story from Denmark

We had a little refugees crisis-until the refugees found a direct way to Sweden.

Many known people went out to help these refugees and after they had done this they wrote about this on FB they wrote how good they are etc

Makes me wonder, why these people didn't do the right thing-travel to one of many refugees camp in the Middle east and help them down there-they are, in my perspective, people who are in desperate need.

Markus

Because they are desparate, afraid, tired of war, poverty, and have strong desire to start a new life. I've witness such desparation the dangers and risks people attempted to overcome just to get to the land of the Super Walmart and Big Gulp. But when we caught them we still burned their boats and repatriated them. Even those who were 'feet dry' were rounded up and sent to detention centers, interogated to determine their status. Very few made it, the rest were sent back.

It sucks, buts thats the law.

btw who said we are running out of room? I know I said we have a huge land mass that buffers us from mass immigration such as Mariel 1 and 2,

Rockstar · 09-11-15, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

Bubbles - "Sign should read NO VACANCY now.Not being inhumane, just can not take in every stray with a sad luck story in the world.US nor most European nations can."

Also "I am not an immigrant.True some ancestors were, long ago.Different time and world then, country needed people, now we are full, no room."

All one has to do is turn off the TV and hike through the Appalachian Trail to see with their own eyes how vast this country is.

Heck we're immigrants. Besides my dad, my brother and I are the first on his side of the family to have a surname. I welcome all immigrants just not the illegal ones. Do it right or go home we dont have room for 'illegal' immigrants.
Should also add I didnt mean to imply Miami today is a bad thing. Cuban immigrants made it into a vibrant, unique city. Wouldnt want to raise a family there but if I was still single thats the place to be.

mapuc · 09-11-15, 07:05 PM

Just some month ago many refugees and immigrant seeked asylum in Denmark. Denmark and Sweden were the two country taking many of these.

Now when Denmark has cut the social-benefit with almost 50 % for newcomer and they have to wait a year before the can get a relative from the country where they are from.

The amount of refugees has got down a lot.

About 80-90 percentage of them who crossed the Danish-German border was on their way to Sweden and they did everything I mean everything to avoid being registered by the Danish Police.

Now Sweden has the highest social benefit for newcomers among the Scandinavian countries.

Makes one wonder.

Here's another thing. A Danish Journalist meet a group refugees who was walking on a Danish freeway.

He asked them way they was on the way to Sweden and these refugees said it strait-They avoid Denmark due to the low benefit and that they had to wait a whole year-

They know our social laws better than I do.

Markus

Rockstar · 09-11-15, 07:21 PM

You're right our process needs work too. Our adopted daughter had to endure years of a hellish bereaucratic nightmare to finally gain her citizenship. Which is all the more reason I and others who have gone through it to say NO to illegal immigrantion and amnesty. Stand in line like the rest of us.

If I remember correctly whenever we came across illegal immigrants upon the high seas. Unless it was a weekend the Department of State usually didn't take long to order us to repatriate them. If however the immigrants made into the territorial seas or were feet dry. In those instances they were all detained and interogated /interviewed to determine their status, all were given the opportunity to state their case. But as I said before very few made past the interogation and were given a one way ticket back to thier homeland

My invitation to Skybird or anyone for that matter still stands. Just dont try sneaking over here or I'll have to git ma shootin' iron out.

Onkel Neal · 09-11-15, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

Well said.

Dr Pepper actually, and I had a nice kebab earlier. How about that for cross-cultural boundaries?

Can't go wrong with the Doctor

09-11-15, 04:57 PM	#6
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	On some other forum it was mentioned that EU may attempt to create a buffer zone in Med, to slow down the refugee flow. What is the opinion regarding it here? __________________ Grumpy as always.

09-11-15, 05:27 PM	#7
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Realistically EU can soak up any likely refugee flow and absorb it, the problem could occur if that refugee flow was directed in it's entirety to some sort of small EU member, such as Norway. Otherwise ethnic balance could not be radically changed, though ofc there is that nigh impossible worst case scenario where EU receives atleast 30+ m immigrants and those show african style birth rates with EU style mortality over 3 generations without being assimilated into local culture/way of life. __________________ Grumpy as always.

09-11-15, 05:32 PM	#8
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I also agree that a flood of refugees is not sustainable and we need solutions other than just "let them in" - that's a very short-term "fix" if a fix at all. Yeah, this isn't going to be easy. But I think what's needed is responsible politics, not a kneejerk reaction to the "barbarian hordes" that are about to make Europe collapse or something. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

09-11-15, 05:54 PM	#9
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Was doing some figerin'. Germany is 137,847 square miles and is just a little smaller than the Great State of Montana which has an area of 147,042 square miles. Population wise Germany has 80.62 million people which is slightly more than California, Texas and Florida combined. Montana has a population of only 1.02 million Dang its get tin crowded over there. Maybe you should move over here Skybird. There's still strong traditional German populations residing in Minnesota, Wisconsin and points in the mid west area. Everyone lives in a haus with a maus and if you live on the lake you can sail your boot too! And nobody will make fun of your accent, you'll fit right in. Last edited by Rockstar; 09-11-15 at 06:06 PM.

09-11-15, 03:21 PM	#1
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Let me guess our two crusaders for humanity are probably sipping tea and crumpets and the other indulging in some tapas and wine for a snack. Talking of great societies, peace, brotherly love, patience, and tolerance. Mocking those who are living something different than your own. Taking egreat exception to others frustration of crisis that is quickly turning into a complete 'Charlie Foxtrot'. They're nazis, mad I say, just look at them! Just a reminder for you great humanitarians. BRITAIN, an island, closed the tunnel off and said it would only take in 20,000 Syrian refugees by the end of the current Parliament's term in 2020. Spain, hardly an option for refugees since its surrounded by water and a mountain range. How many have made it to your shores? None. Only after being pressured has 'the city of hugs' taken in a mere 2,800 refugees. Hardly the burden you seem expect others to bear with all brotherly love and tolerance. I imagine if either of your two countries were anticipating 800,000 refugees this year alone. You too would be frustrated ranting on about screwed up things are. "God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in his shoes 'Cause then you really might know what it's like to sing the blues"

09-11-15, 06:07 PM	#10
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,612 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Here's a story from Denmark We had a little refugees crisis-until the refugees found a direct way to Sweden. Many known people went out to help these refugees and after they had done this they wrote about this on FB they wrote how good they are etc Makes me wonder, why these people didn't do the right thing-travel to one of many refugees camp in the Middle east and help them down there-they are, in my perspective, people who are in desperate need. Markus

09-11-15, 07:05 PM	#13
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,612 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Just some month ago many refugees and immigrant seeked asylum in Denmark. Denmark and Sweden were the two country taking many of these. Now when Denmark has cut the social-benefit with almost 50 % for newcomer and they have to wait a year before the can get a relative from the country where they are from. The amount of refugees has got down a lot. About 80-90 percentage of them who crossed the Danish-German border was on their way to Sweden and they did everything I mean everything to avoid being registered by the Danish Police. Now Sweden has the highest social benefit for newcomers among the Scandinavian countries. Makes one wonder. Here's another thing. A Danish Journalist meet a group refugees who was walking on a Danish freeway. He asked them way they was on the way to Sweden and these refugees said it strait-They avoid Denmark due to the low benefit and that they had to wait a whole year- They know our social laws better than I do. Markus

09-11-15, 07:21 PM	#14
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	You're right our process needs work too. Our adopted daughter had to endure years of a hellish bereaucratic nightmare to finally gain her citizenship. Which is all the more reason I and others who have gone through it to say NO to illegal immigrantion and amnesty. Stand in line like the rest of us. If I remember correctly whenever we came across illegal immigrants upon the high seas. Unless it was a weekend the Department of State usually didn't take long to order us to repatriate them. If however the immigrants made into the territorial seas or were feet dry. In those instances they were all detained and interogated /interviewed to determine their status, all were given the opportunity to state their case. But as I said before very few made past the interogation and were given a one way ticket back to thier homeland My invitation to Skybird or anyone for that matter still stands. Just dont try sneaking over here or I'll have to git ma shootin' iron out.