Europe's migrant problem

[mapuc]

I'm divided in this issue.

I really want to help those whose fleeing from wars and persecution

On the other hand I'm sort of very angry when I see:

Refugees makes a scene, because they are given food by Red Cross and they are offend by this "red cross"

When our own homeless or the weak can't get somewhere to live-due to laws, which say refugees comes first.

Making a scene in countries like Denmark, when they get a simple apartment and simple food-Made for them(halal)

I myself are supporting help in their nearby area.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Syria has a border to Turkey. They can just walk over.

I thought the Syrian border with Turkey was controlled by isis.

Shouldn't they be worried about isis playing the game to get into other countries and then causing trouble?

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I'm divided in this issue.

I really want to help those whose fleeing from wars and persecution

On the other hand I'm sort of very angry when I see:

I really want to be angry with the hypocrisy of some, but how much of that is ''quote mining'' by the media. A 1000 refugees will accept what help we can give them and the media will ignore and one may cause problems and he will be all over the news.

[ikalugin]

Meanwhile - Russian Government offers a free acre of land to any citizen... in the Far East.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Didn't they used to do that to political dissidents?

They did, but the actual land dimensions were 6 feet down and 3 feet across...


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[Betonov]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Meanwhile - Russian Government offers a free acre of land to any citizen... in the Far East.

Just an acre ??
Give me a 10x10km forest and I'm moving there tomorrow.

[ikalugin]

Well our hunting launge is 400k acres I think.

The new law is there b/c there is a lot of usable surplus land around various parts of Russia.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Betonov

I really want to be angry with the hypocrisy of some, but how much of that is ''quote mining'' by the media. A 1000 refugees will accept what help we can give them and the media will ignore and one may cause problems and he will be all over the news.

I can see I made some misspelling.

I'm not angry at every refugees only at those who cause problems.

You're 150 % right most of them, don't know how many percentage, are just happy to enter a country were he and his family can live in peace and comfort

Markus

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I can see I made some misspelling.

I'm not angry at every refugees only at those who cause problems.

I don't think you did.
Problem is that 0,1% of troublemakers will get the media up and the 50% of morons are going to pick it up like it's the divine truth.
Media today is more dangerous than the autocrats of Europe past

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Well our hunting launge is 400k acres I think.

I have 5 hectares with 400k plus mosquitoes.

[ikalugin]

Btw, how much land does a person need to sustain himself through farming?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Betonov

I don't think you did.
Problem is that 0,1% of troublemakers will get the media up and the 50% of morons are going to pick it up like it's the divine truth.
Media today is more dangerous than the autocrats of Europe past

Do you think I'm mad at some refugees who get first in line to an apartment, even though some Danish person had been waiting for, for a long time ?

NO!! I get furious at our politicians.

Markus

[ikalugin]

I think that goverment stance on distributing resources (such as social housing) to refugees should prioritise citizens over refugees.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Oberon

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In short, what we can't do is simply turn them around and send them back, to condemn them to a high likelihood of death. Primarily because the moment they set foot in Syria, they'll turn straight back around and try again. This time perhaps through the thriving network of people smugglers and they'll enter Europe through a different way and become another statistic in the rising human trafficking crisis in Europe.
We're human, we're all human, to turn our back on people who are so desperate that they would risk everything is inhumane. So we must find a way, somehow we must find one.

Contrary to what some might read in U.S. media. We turn back migrants all the time. When we came across them they were removed from their ship or boat. Then we swung our deck gun around and sunk the ship on the spot while they watched, a sort of psy op. Flew in interogators, and when they concluded their investigations. We made for land and dropped them all, men women and children back in their home country.

True some made the attempt again. But most stayed put because they couldnt afford it.

We cannot take in everyone without some regulation.

[ikalugin]

There is also (sometimes) the problem of internal migration. In Russia it is people from poor Caucasus going north (in to Moscow). This is the issue (I think, I could be wrong) that is new to the core EU members, as previously they were not open to such things (Germans were one of the first countries to experience this with the fall of the Wall, but then eastern Germans were not as different to their western kind as immigrants from Balkan Muslim areas would be).