New Windows updates screw up Win 7 installations ?

Sailor Steve · 08-25-15, 09:06 PM

As I've said elsewhere, I switched from Edge back to IE with one click, and it was MS that gave me the instructions.

vienna · 08-26-15, 12:58 PM

The Win 10 upgrade I did had no real problems and continues to work well. As far as Edge vs. IE, the user also did not like Edge, so I unpinned Edge from the taskbar, pinned IE in its place and all is well. If you are looking for IE, go to the start menu, click on all apps, scroll down to "Windows Accessories", find "Internet Explorer", right click and click on "Pin to Taskbar". Easy-peasy...

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Catfish · 08-28-15, 01:30 PM

Hi,
thanks but i still have Win 7 running on my Computer, and it seems to try to install updates that are not for Win 7, thus screwing up the System.

The win10 Version where we needed a new WLAN-stick runs ok on the other machine, but this is new 10, not 7.
B.t.w. Win 10 is faster on a Mac with Parallels, than a a native install Win10-only lmao.

In Win7 I was able to get some features back and make some of those 'updates' inoperative or change them, but this can't be 'it'.
Security essentials still denies updating and stops with all kinds of error messages. However, this may be linked to the IE11 download Manager, which is still screwed up.

The joke is, you cannot properly uninstall IE 11, you an only deactivate it. Activating it again after shutdown, restart, change, shutdown again yaddayadda brings back the same problems.

Catfish · 08-28-15, 02:08 PM

Ok, IE 11 problems are Microsoft-made; for anyone who' interested:

" 1. Continuing to use IE11 will continue your problems and your frustration. I won't tell you to use Chrome or Firefox, but THAT'S what will take care of this for you. What you see is a result of this:

"User-Agent Strings"

That doesn't mean a lot, I'm sure, but it's the root of your problems, and Flash Player has nothing to do with it.

Microsoft "rewrote" the User-Agent Strings for the abomination they call their latest and greatest browser (Read more here).

User-Agent Strings are what websites use to identify the browser you're using and provide the proper content for it's browser engine, like ActiveX stuff, and Flash or HTML5 video.

Thanks to the geniuses in Redmond, WA, the User-Agent Strings for IE11 (which has a Trident engine), ID it as either "Gecko" (Firefox) or "Webkit" (Chrome).

Trouble is: when the site the directs to the content for one of these two engines, the Trident engine in IE can't intepret it and the site then sees IE as an "unidentified" browser.

The problem with an unidentified browser is that the plug-ins in that browser aren't recognized either, so even though you're up to date, it says you need the latest Flash Player when you use IE11.

YouTube... has converted to HTML5 video so if it doesn't detect Flash Player, it can display HTML5 (MP4) video which requires no plug-in to play.
Facebook can't do that, because HTML5 doesn't apply to games... only video.

Microsoft has no plans to "fix" the mess they've created because they think it's a great idea to block you out of the websites you visit.
They recommend using "Compatibility View" and pretending that you're using an older verison of IE...

The Problem with THAT is that it's seen limited success, and you have to enable it for EVERY page that has problems... individually. ..."

Why is there no vomit-icon.

Rockin Robbins · 08-28-15, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

As I've said elsewhere, I switched from Edge back to IE with one click, and it was MS that gave me the instructions.

Edge IS Internet Exploder. It's just a cell phone shell for the same old stuff without giving you access to all the adjustments you are used to. So when you change from Edge to IE all that changes is the UI. The guts continue to run as if you changed nothing.

We are at the very beginning of knowing all the bad stuff lurking in Windows 10. It will look ten times worse in six months. I've upgraded four computers from Windows 8, 8.1 and 10 to 7 in the past week. You can buy a full retail copy of Windows 7 Pro 64 for about $65 and that's a bargain. Unlike Win 10 you can migrate that to any future computer you have legally and you retain ownership in your hardware. Private folders (directories) remain private. It's either that or make the move to Linux.

Microsoft trust score: -100%

XabbaRus · 09-01-15, 10:59 AM

No it's not. It is a new different browser. Google it. Just what is your problem with Windows 10? Are you a google or apple employee?

We understand you don't like it, you shout from the roof tops, I checked the links you have provided and they didn't say anything like what you are stating. You don't like it, don't use it. However when people post here asking for help, try to help rather than ranting how bad MS is and Win10 is. Oh and when I say help I do not mean stating downgrading from Win 10 back to Win 7.

vienna · 09-01-15, 02:24 PM

I'm beginning to suspect he's really Tim Cook...

<O>

Wolferz · 09-04-15, 04:06 AM

Every iteration of Windows was built on the bones of its predecessors.
Even Win Ten Ten.
Yup, it's a dog to some.

08-25-15, 09:06 PM	#1
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	As I've said elsewhere, I switched from Edge back to IE with one click, and it was MS that gave me the instructions. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-26-15, 12:58 PM	#2
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,732 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	The Win 10 upgrade I did had no real problems and continues to work well. As far as Edge vs. IE, the user also did not like Edge, so I unpinned Edge from the taskbar, pinned IE in its place and all is well. If you are looking for IE, go to the start menu, click on all apps, scroll down to "Windows Accessories", find "Internet Explorer", right click and click on "Pin to Taskbar". Easy-peasy... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

08-28-15, 01:30 PM	#3
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,822 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Hi, thanks but i still have Win 7 running on my Computer, and it seems to try to install updates that are not for Win 7, thus screwing up the System. The win10 Version where we needed a new WLAN-stick runs ok on the other machine, but this is new 10, not 7. B.t.w. Win 10 is faster on a Mac with Parallels, than a a native install Win10-only lmao. In Win7 I was able to get some features back and make some of those 'updates' inoperative or change them, but this can't be 'it'. Security essentials still denies updating and stops with all kinds of error messages. However, this may be linked to the IE11 download Manager, which is still screwed up. The joke is, you cannot properly uninstall IE 11, you an only deactivate it. Activating it again after shutdown, restart, change, shutdown again yaddayadda brings back the same problems. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-28-15, 02:08 PM	#4
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,822 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Ok, IE 11 problems are Microsoft-made; for anyone who' interested: " 1. Continuing to use IE11 will continue your problems and your frustration. I won't tell you to use Chrome or Firefox, but THAT'S what will take care of this for you. What you see is a result of this: "User-Agent Strings" That doesn't mean a lot, I'm sure, but it's the root of your problems, and Flash Player has nothing to do with it. Microsoft "rewrote" the User-Agent Strings for the abomination they call their latest and greatest browser (Read more here). User-Agent Strings are what websites use to identify the browser you're using and provide the proper content for it's browser engine, like ActiveX stuff, and Flash or HTML5 video. Thanks to the geniuses in Redmond, WA, the User-Agent Strings for IE11 (which has a Trident engine), ID it as either "Gecko" (Firefox) or "Webkit" (Chrome). Trouble is: when the site the directs to the content for one of these two engines, the Trident engine in IE can't intepret it and the site then sees IE as an "unidentified" browser. The problem with an unidentified browser is that the plug-ins in that browser aren't recognized either, so even though you're up to date, it says you need the latest Flash Player when you use IE11. YouTube... has converted to HTML5 video so if it doesn't detect Flash Player, it can display HTML5 (MP4) video which requires no plug-in to play. Facebook can't do that, because HTML5 doesn't apply to games... only video. Microsoft has no plans to "fix" the mess they've created because they think it's a great idea to block you out of the websites you visit. They recommend using "Compatibility View" and pretending that you're using an older verison of IE... The Problem with THAT is that it's seen limited success, and you have to enable it for EVERY page that has problems... individually. ..." Why is there no vomit-icon. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

09-01-15, 10:59 AM	#6
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	No it's not. It is a new different browser. Google it. Just what is your problem with Windows 10? Are you a google or apple employee? We understand you don't like it, you shout from the roof tops, I checked the links you have provided and they didn't say anything like what you are stating. You don't like it, don't use it. However when people post here asking for help, try to help rather than ranting how bad MS is and Win10 is. Oh and when I say help I do not mean stating downgrading from Win 10 back to Win 7. __________________

09-01-15, 02:24 PM	#7
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,732 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I'm beginning to suspect he's really Tim Cook... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

09-04-15, 04:06 AM	#8
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Remember... Every iteration of Windows was built on the bones of its predecessors. Even Win Ten Ten. Yup, it's a dog to some. __________________ Tomorrow never comes