Another airshow plane crash! - Page 3

Admiral Halsey · 08-25-15, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Possibly still the costliest (in lives ever). Approximately 20 years ago (mid nineties) my lad was watching a documentary on said disaster on the tv and said "Dad, isn't that where we are going?"

We were booked to go to Tenerife on a family holiday a week or so later.

It still is the deadliest in lives. Closets that came to it was JAL 123 and it was still 43 short. I hate to say it though but if one of the A380's in a single class configuration ever goes down you could be looking at 853 dead not including crew.

Tchocky · 08-25-15, 05:57 PM

Doubt we'll ever see an A380 operating in all Y-class, though.

iambecomelife · 08-25-15, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

The picture making most of the headlines tomorrow:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...r_3415985b.jpg

Shocking, absolutely shocking...

Wow..it is eerily similar to a photo I saw of Ramstein, with the moment of impact. I saw a disaster show once, featuring a dad & son who were missed by a whisker...scary stuff.

And I had thought much of Europe was very strict about what can and can't be done at airshows, ever since that disaster? Very sad regardless.

Oberon · 08-25-15, 09:29 PM

Honestly...we pretty much are, I mean this is the first time in 62 years that something like this has happened...not that you'd think this given some of the medias hysterics about it. The CAA has very strict guidelines about how aircraft are maintained, and the pilots that fly them have to also pass strict tests. I think in this instance a mistake was made somewhere down the line, be it mechanical or human, and a tragedy occurred.
Of course, in this day and age there is no such thing as an 'accident' any more.

Anyway, the CAA have banned elderly aircraft from doing performances over land now, seaside airshows aren't affected, but land shows will just feature standard flypasts. Which is better than nothing, I'll admit, and a good temporary measure while the AAIB get their report together.

On a slightly more selfish note, I imagine this tragedy will have put to bed any thoughts the XH558 team had of pulling a roll in the Vulcan over the sea before her retirement. Such a shame, as I bet she could have done it just fine.

And a closing thought about the CAAs decision...what qualifies as an elderly aircraft? The Hawks that the Red Arrows fly aren't exactly spring chickens, nor are the Sea Kings that have only just gone out of service for the Search and Rescue forces...and let's face it, the Canberra only stopped flying for the RAF in 2009. I, personally, don't think the aircrafts age is an issue, a well maintained craft can last for decades with no problems, and should a problem develop then it's usually quickly identified and the aircraft grounded. But, equally, it's only a temporary decision, and one taken to placate the media no doubt while the AAIB has a chance to conduct its investigation. The ban can be rescinded when the media are off chasing some other blood trail.

Herr-Berbunch · 08-26-15, 02:37 AM

Ramstein had an immediate effect on UK airshows with restrictions on overflying the crowd. All this baying for blood by the media will hopefully not lead to further knee-jerk reactions and restrictions to our elder aircraft. The UK airshow scene is already dying, I remember the times when just about every airfield, both military and civvy, held their own. These inspired the youth to join air cadets, to join the RAF, to learn to fly - to keep the wheel turning. Seaside events are OK, but there's nothing like being a few hundred metres away from a Lightning, Vulcan, B-1B, or even a Typhoon during take off to stir the emotions in that direction. Further restrictions on land based shows are ridiculous, the dead weren't even attending the show.

Jimbuna · 08-26-15, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

On a slightly more selfish note, I imagine this tragedy will have put to bed any thoughts the XH558 team had of pulling a roll in the Vulcan over the sea before her retirement. Such a shame, as I bet she could have done it just fine.

I believe that decision has already been taken.

Admiral Halsey · 08-26-15, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Doubt we'll ever see an A380 operating in all Y-class, though.

I don't doubt it'll happen for several reasons. Mainly because with air travel increasing the short haul full load flights will eventually demand one of them. Plus the savings of replacing 3 747's while using 2 A380's on the same route.

CCIP · 08-26-15, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey

I don't doubt it'll happen for several reasons. Mainly because with air travel increasing the short haul full load flights will eventually demand one of them. Plus the savings of replacing 3 747's while using 2 A380's on the same route.

Well, that's been said many times but in fact things have been going the opposite way with high-capacity short haul. The last of the Japanese domestic 747s have been retired, and Boeing even cancelled the dedicated domestic 787-3.
It's mostly because the infrastructural improvements have been outstripping the growth in passenger numbers by a long shot. I think it'll stay that way through the A380s service life (especially if Airbus announce an end to its production, which is looking very likely to happen in the next year at this rate).

Herr-Berbunch · 08-28-15, 07:19 AM

Who'd have thought there'd be some common sense journalism!

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2...-crashed-on-it

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Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Ramstein had an immediate effect on UK airshows with restrictions on overflying the crowd. All this baying for blood by the media will hopefully not lead to further knee-jerk reactions and restrictions to our elder aircraft. The UK airshow scene is already dying, I remember the times when just about every airfield, both military and civvy, held their own. These inspired the youth to join air cadets, to join the RAF, to learn to fly - to keep the wheel turning. Seaside events are OK, but there's nothing like being a few hundred metres away from a Lightning, Vulcan, B-1B, or even a Typhoon during take off to stir the emotions in that direction. Further restrictions on land based shows are ridiculous, the dead weren't even attending the show. __________________

08-28-15, 07:19 AM	#39
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Who'd have thought there'd be some common sense journalism! http://www.theguardian.com/science/2...-crashed-on-it __________________

08-25-15, 09:29 PM	#34
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Honestly...we pretty much are, I mean this is the first time in 62 years that something like this has happened...not that you'd think this given some of the medias hysterics about it. The CAA has very strict guidelines about how aircraft are maintained, and the pilots that fly them have to also pass strict tests. I think in this instance a mistake was made somewhere down the line, be it mechanical or human, and a tragedy occurred. Of course, in this day and age there is no such thing as an 'accident' any more. Anyway, the CAA have banned elderly aircraft from doing performances over land now, seaside airshows aren't affected, but land shows will just feature standard flypasts. Which is better than nothing, I'll admit, and a good temporary measure while the AAIB get their report together. On a slightly more selfish note, I imagine this tragedy will have put to bed any thoughts the XH558 team had of pulling a roll in the Vulcan over the sea before her retirement. Such a shame, as I bet she could have done it just fine. And a closing thought about the CAAs decision...what qualifies as an elderly aircraft? The Hawks that the Red Arrows fly aren't exactly spring chickens, nor are the Sea Kings that have only just gone out of service for the Search and Rescue forces...and let's face it, the Canberra only stopped flying for the RAF in 2009. I, personally, don't think the aircrafts age is an issue, a well maintained craft can last for decades with no problems, and should a problem develop then it's usually quickly identified and the aircraft grounded. But, equally, it's only a temporary decision, and one taken to placate the media no doubt while the AAIB has a chance to conduct its investigation. The ban can be rescinded when the media are off chasing some other blood trail.