Karl der große or Charlemagne?

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Well, no-one knows for certain where he was born.

I think though that considering that the Frankish Empire lends more of its name and history towards the creation of modern France than it does to modern Germany, despite the Franks having originated in Germany, then it makes some sense to associate Charlemagne with France.

While we're here, have a picture of a descendent of Charlemagne dressed as Charlemagne:

Franks are Germanic. (edit: they are mentioned in the Stategikon [a military manual] written by Emperor Maurice (of the ERE/ Byzantines), in the same classification as other Germanic peoples, "light haired peoples) Clovis was the man who set it up, then when the Merovingian dynasty fell due to weird traditions. They had a puppet king, and the "mayor of the Palace" who really ruled. Pepin went to the Pope and got holy agreement, that the man who truly rules deserves to be king (divine right).

He (legally under divine right from the Catholic Church) overthrew the "fake" and established the Carolingian Dynasty, which is famous today. It also propelled Catholicism to being a huge force in early feudal politics.

I think if you are from Europe, or New Worlders from Europe (like me), then you got a lot of German in you, they overran the continent when the Western Roman empire fell.