Another airshow plane crash! - Page 2

Jimbuna · 08-23-15, 10:17 AM

Terribly tragic...a few of the gang were there but nowhere near the crash site.

Herr-Berbunch · 08-23-15, 10:17 AM

Active ejector seats in civvy aircraft aren't allowed in the UK.

There's been a mid-air collision today at Dittigen airshow in Switzerland, one dead and one parachuted to safety.

https://twitter.com/News_Executive/s...559104/photo/1

Not the best weekend in aviation, but far from the worst.

eddie · 08-23-15, 10:26 AM

Reports on the news over here are saying a number of people on the ground are unaccounted for and the death toll will go higher. As if it needs to get worse.

Jimbuna · 08-23-15, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Active ejector seats in civvy aircraft aren't allowed in the UK.

There's been a mid-air collision today at Dittigen airshow in Switzerland, one dead and one parachuted to safety.

https://twitter.com/News_Executive/s...559104/photo/1

Not the best weekend in aviation, but far from the worst.

Rgr that

Schroeder · 08-23-15, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

Would a plane of this vintage have had a ejection seat? Seems like it would, but maybe the aircraft was demilitarized for civilian airshow use.

Of course, I suppose that would look even worse in retrospect if the pilot bails in a vertical direction and parachutes to safety while his errant plane belly-flops in a major motorway.

Happened here in Germany with a Canadian F104 in 1983. The plane crashed on a motorway while doing a display with 4 other Starfighters and killed 6 people. The pilot ejected before impact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...incidents#1983

STEED · 08-23-15, 11:01 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34034430

Looks like 11 dead now.

Oberon · 08-23-15, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Active ejector seats in civvy aircraft aren't allowed in the UK.

They are if they're an integral part of the aircraft escape system, in fact it's required for some ex-military aircraft:

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP%206...20Aircraft.pdf

Herr-Berbunch · 08-23-15, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

They are if they're an integral part of the aircraft escape system, in fact it's required for some ex-military aircraft:

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP%206...20Aircraft.pdf

Thanks for that. I was always under the impression that was why the Lightning couldn't fly here, turns out I was wrong.

Oberon · 08-23-15, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Thanks for that. I was always under the impression that was why the Lightning couldn't fly here, turns out I was wrong.

I think the high rate in which they fell out of the sky has a fair bit to do with it.

Aktungbby · 08-23-15, 02:03 PM

Warning: may be distressful: I still remember this baddie(the worst of all?) with 300,000 watching; What with the 2011 Reno airshow (10 dead & the 74 year old pilot) and one at nearby 2014 Travis AFB (jeff-grove saw that one?) The crash did not kill the 77 year old pilot...the fire did. I tend to stay away-too many old-bold pilots having bad days? There has been no apparent regulatory improvements IMHO

<Reno: The main culprits, according to the National Transportation Safety Board, were several lock nuts on the left trim tab -- an aerodynamic surface on the horizontal part of the plane's tail -- nuts that had not been replaced in at least 26 years. Rule One: any landing you walk away from is good. Rule Two: My day's pleasant outing SHALL remain so...no airshows!

Oberon · 08-23-15, 02:09 PM

One of our members had a son at the Reno race:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=187930

Herr-Berbunch · 08-23-15, 03:42 PM

I've been near to a few crashes, all of which I was oblivious to at the time. The first was a three-ship Jag take off at Coltishall, Sqn Cdr, another high ranker, and a relative new guy. The first two took off fine and the third didn't select reheat and clipped the barrier at the northern end of the runway, tried to eject but seat had moved on impact so he didn't make it. That was my first sobering experience of a station losing a pilot. I was in the Alt Operations Centre (the primary being refurbished) when the station crash alarm sounded, at about the time they tested daily - but there was no tannoy prior, and it didn't stop.

The second was at Pristina airfield, the Russian Minister or Defence was flying in to see his troops and his wingtip struck the runway, but was fortunately safe. His flight out was delayed though.

The third, and the closest I'll hopefully ever get to one was at Brize Norton. I was driving to the mess alongside the runway (road vehicles only on this stretch) and the Red Arrows took off right next to me. Well, eight out of nine did. The remaining one suffered a birdstrike and careered off the runway in my direction. 40 seconds later as I parked up the fire crews were running out the mess from lunch. As I looked back the Hawk had ended up right next to where I'd been. I've just had a quick Google for this incident but I can't find any reference to it at all but I swear it happened!

Herr-Berbunch · 08-23-15, 03:49 PM

Oh, there was also Gulf Air Flight 072 at Bahrain, I was the only Brit working that night, at the norther end of Muharraq. The Airbus A320 crashed 3 miles off the coast and the first I heard of it was about 30 minutes later when a colleague in a night club phoned to see what was happening. I went outside and the air was filled with blue lights of the police cars, red lights of the ambulances (sadly none needed) and US helicopters all over retrieving the bodies in to the temporary morgue set up right next door to me. In fact it was on 23 August 2000 - exactly 15 years ago today.

I had a friend up in Kuwait who was coming down for work/celebrate my birthday (25th) but there was a period of national mourning so very little alcohol could be consumed.

Admiral Halsey · 08-23-15, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Not the best weekend in aviation, but far from the worst.

Quite true and hopefully nothing will ever come close to matching Tenerife.

Jimbuna · 08-24-15, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey

Quite true and hopefully nothing will ever come close to matching Tenerife.

Possibly still the costliest (in lives ever). Approximately 20 years ago (mid nineties) my lad was watching a documentary on said disaster on the tv and said "Dad, isn't that where we are going?"

We were booked to go to Tenerife on a family holiday a week or so later.

08-23-15, 10:17 AM	#16
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,552 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Terribly tragic...a few of the gang were there but nowhere near the crash site. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-23-15, 10:17 AM	#17
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Active ejector seats in civvy aircraft aren't allowed in the UK. There's been a mid-air collision today at Dittigen airshow in Switzerland, one dead and one parachuted to safety. https://twitter.com/News_Executive/s...559104/photo/1 Not the best weekend in aviation, but far from the worst. __________________ Last edited by Herr-Berbunch; 08-23-15 at 10:34 AM.

08-23-15, 10:26 AM	#18
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Reports on the news over here are saying a number of people on the ground are unaccounted for and the death toll will go higher. As if it needs to get worse. __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

08-23-15, 11:01 AM	#21
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34034430 Looks like 11 dead now. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

08-23-15, 02:03 PM	#25
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 30,016 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	67 spactators dead 3 pilots killed-the view at ground level Warning: may be distressful: I still remember this baddie(the worst of all?) with 300,000 watching; What with the 2011 Reno airshow (10 dead & the 74 year old pilot) and one at nearby 2014 Travis AFB (jeff-grove saw that one?) The crash did not kill the 77 year old pilot...the fire did. I tend to stay away-too many old-bold pilots having bad days? There has been no apparent regulatory improvements IMHO <Reno: The main culprits, according to the National Transportation Safety Board, were several lock nuts on the left trim tab -- an aerodynamic surface on the horizontal part of the plane's tail -- nuts that had not been replaced in at least 26 years. Rule One: any landing you walk away from is good. Rule Two: My day's pleasant outing SHALL remain so...no airshows! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!!

08-23-15, 02:09 PM	#26
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	One of our members had a son at the Reno race: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=187930

08-23-15, 03:42 PM	#27
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	I've been near to a few crashes, all of which I was oblivious to at the time. The first was a three-ship Jag take off at Coltishall, Sqn Cdr, another high ranker, and a relative new guy. The first two took off fine and the third didn't select reheat and clipped the barrier at the northern end of the runway, tried to eject but seat had moved on impact so he didn't make it. That was my first sobering experience of a station losing a pilot. I was in the Alt Operations Centre (the primary being refurbished) when the station crash alarm sounded, at about the time they tested daily - but there was no tannoy prior, and it didn't stop. The second was at Pristina airfield, the Russian Minister or Defence was flying in to see his troops and his wingtip struck the runway, but was fortunately safe. His flight out was delayed though. The third, and the closest I'll hopefully ever get to one was at Brize Norton. I was driving to the mess alongside the runway (road vehicles only on this stretch) and the Red Arrows took off right next to me. Well, eight out of nine did. The remaining one suffered a birdstrike and careered off the runway in my direction. 40 seconds later as I parked up the fire crews were running out the mess from lunch. As I looked back the Hawk had ended up right next to where I'd been. I've just had a quick Google for this incident but I can't find any reference to it at all but I swear it happened! __________________

08-23-15, 03:49 PM	#28
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Oh, there was also Gulf Air Flight 072 at Bahrain, I was the only Brit working that night, at the norther end of Muharraq. The Airbus A320 crashed 3 miles off the coast and the first I heard of it was about 30 minutes later when a colleague in a night club phoned to see what was happening. I went outside and the air was filled with blue lights of the police cars, red lights of the ambulances (sadly none needed) and US helicopters all over retrieving the bodies in to the temporary morgue set up right next door to me. In fact it was on 23 August 2000 - exactly 15 years ago today. I had a friend up in Kuwait who was coming down for work/celebrate my birthday (25th) but there was a period of national mourning so very little alcohol could be consumed. __________________