SIDE OF WINNERS

Sailor Steve · 07-23-15, 12:19 PM

You can always use a low difficulty setting which makes it much easier to "win".

After playing sub sims for more almost forty years I play for the history, not for the "winning".

jorgegonzalito · 07-23-15, 02:17 PM

Thank you very much to you both for your answers. It's always good to read the views of other comrades. I think it's not bad to try to find a game where the odds are more equitable, and I think in the Pacific theater of war that occurs in much greater proportion. Of course it all depends on the skill that everyone can develop. From what I've read Silent Hunter IV incorporates some improvements over SHII and that makes it more interesting. There is another component of ideological character to be taken into account, I do not feel comfortable playing a German submarine commander. With everything honorable and professional that may have been the Kriegsmarine, fighting for the wrong cause whose aims were dark. My generation (1950) was educated in the belief that the Allies were the good, the bad and the shaft. In this regard I believe that Japan was a danger that had to be crushed, a country of bloodthirsty fanatics and they deserved everything they got in retaliation. So sink ships and send to back a few hundred children of the rising sun, it can make you feel better after each collapse, knowing he has helped to accelerate the fall of that dangerous regime for the civilized world.

Zosimus · 07-23-15, 04:36 PM

Well, if you want to modify the game to make it easier, it's not difficult. Some people here, for example, have changed the explosive power of torpedoes. With extreme numbers, one torpedo could destroy an entire convoy. Alternatively you could accelerate the rollout of the new types of submarines or improved torpedoes. Imagine starting in 1939 with T5s.

It wouldn't take more than an adjustment or two to let your submarine dive to 500 meters without difficulty. At that depth, you would never be picked up by ASDIC, and depth charges wouldn't hit you either.

As for whether the Germans were evil (or the Japanese for that matter), I would say definitely not. There are a number of cautions available historically that American destroyers would fire on or depth charge German submarines. The submarines were under very strict orders to never retaliate against American aggression for fear of bringing the US into the war. At the beginning of the game, we are ordered not to fire on UK capital ships, and not to fire on French ships at all because any attempts along those lines may injure the attempts to negotiate the UK and France out of the war.

I can think of at least one incident in which a u-boat attacked a ship, only to find that it contained Italian POWs. The u-boat broadcast its peaceful intentions and began the humanitarian rescue of the survivors only to find itself attacked by American forces soon thereafter. German u-boats attempted to follow the prize regulations whereas US subs waged unrestrained sub warfare from day one.

I think it's also safe to say that no u-boat captains ever commanded any German concentration camps.

Fahnenbohn · 07-23-15, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Zosimus

I think it's also safe to say that no u-boat captains ever commanded any German concentration camps.

LOL

jorgegonzalito · 07-24-15, 06:09 PM

Zosimus: In your post you mean the so-called "Laconia incident" in which participated the U-156, I read about it, and I even saw a relatively modern film about the subject. In saying that Germany was fighting for the wrong cause and dark purposes, he had in mind the concentration camps but the simple fact that the country carried out a aggression war against other nations, so it was well demonstrated in Núremberg trials and is since then a crime, susceptible of being judged in any international court. With regard to improving the technical characteristics of the submarines and their weapons to play with advantage, I tried to accomplish missions in 1942 with a type XXI and the difference it is huge, but that is departing from the normal parameters. Nor can sink a convoy with atomic bomb, do not exaggerate. Anyway, we'll see how it goes in the Pacific Theater with the Americans. There are plenty of footage and even a TV series called "Silent Service".

jorgegonzalito · 07-24-15, 06:27 PM

20000 Leagues:
Surfacing and cope with these gunboats or trawlers, it is an interesting idea, a little daring, but interesting. It is what the boat does not expect you to do. Emerges and shoot with the bow gun, even can run him since a type IX is much larger. Anything is better to stay submerged depth charges received for hours. Anyway if we will sink, we sink us fighting!

Torplexed · 07-24-15, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jorgegonzalito

Anyway, we'll see how it goes in the Pacific Theater with the Americans. .

It's a big enough ocean. Plenty of room for everyone.

jorgegonzalito · 07-25-15, 07:34 AM

Jajaja! Yes! They said that the Atlantic Ocean was a lake compared with Pacific size.

Kpt. Lehmann · 07-25-15, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

It's a big enough ocean. Plenty of room for everyone.

Awesome cartoon! Very cool, Torplexed!

Zosimus · 07-25-15, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jorgegonzalito

Zosimus: In your post you mean the so-called "Laconia incident" in which participated the U-156, I read about it, and I even saw a relatively modern film about the subject. In saying that Germany was fighting for the wrong cause and dark purposes, he had in mind the concentration camps but the simple fact that the country carried out a aggression war against other nations, so it was well demonstrated in Núremberg trials and is since then a crime, susceptible of being judged in any international court. With regard to improving the technical characteristics of the submarines and their weapons to play with advantage, I tried to accomplish missions in 1942 with a type XXI and the difference it is huge, but that is departing from the normal parameters. Nor can sink a convoy with atomic bomb, do not exaggerate. Anyway, we'll see how it goes in the Pacific Theater with the Americans. There are plenty of footage and even a TV series called "Silent Service".

I think you have a very unrealistic view of the history leading up to the war. There were no angels on any sides. Germany was prepared to go to war over Danzig, which had a German majority, and the Polish corridor, which did not have a German majority. Hitler, in fact, had the invasion all scheduled for 26 August, but halted the invasion a day earlier when the Brits and Poles agreed to return to the negotiating table.

Churchill's quotes after the war show amply that England cared nothing for Polish independence. It was merely a pretext to start a war with Germany. In the end the Poles were consigned lock, stock, and barrel to the Russians.

Fahnenbohn · 07-25-15, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Zosimus

Churchill's quotes after the war show amply that England cared nothing for Polish independence. It was merely a pretext to start a war with Germany. In the end the Poles were consigned lock, stock, and barrel to the Russians.

That's absolutely right. Churchill wanted to destroy the new Germany because it had become a new continental power, and especially because it was completely out of the capitalist logic. Hitler didn't want a war ! Germany wasn't ready for a war. Hitler only wanted the construction of a German highway between the two separated parts of Germany. This is England that made war inevitable between Germany and Poland by preventing successful negotiations about the Danzig Corridor. Poland was only a pretext.

jorgegonzalito · 07-25-15, 09:50 PM

Thanks Steve "Maillemaker"
By sharing your experiences, and your sincerity in acknowledging that survive the game will it cost your good effort. In much I agree with your combat tactics related to the u-boats. However, the statistics presented above show that a vast difference between the loss of German submarines and the US, which I believe supports my theory that Silent Hunter IV "Wolves of Pacific" raises a more balanced naval warfare, and so much less stressful it is dealing with a virtual game.

jorgegonzalito · 07-25-15, 09:56 PM

Thanks Zosimus:
Totally agree with you, I think my knees walking England and France could have stopped Germany began its war of aggression.

07-23-15, 12:19 PM	#1
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	You can always use a low difficulty setting which makes it much easier to "win". After playing sub sims for more almost forty years I play for the history, not for the "winning". __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

07-23-15, 02:17 PM	#2
jorgegonzalito Officer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina. Posts: 237 Downloads: 322 Uploads: 0	Thank you very much to you both for your answers. It's always good to read the views of other comrades. I think it's not bad to try to find a game where the odds are more equitable, and I think in the Pacific theater of war that occurs in much greater proportion. Of course it all depends on the skill that everyone can develop. From what I've read Silent Hunter IV incorporates some improvements over SHII and that makes it more interesting. There is another component of ideological character to be taken into account, I do not feel comfortable playing a German submarine commander. With everything honorable and professional that may have been the Kriegsmarine, fighting for the wrong cause whose aims were dark. My generation (1950) was educated in the belief that the Allies were the good, the bad and the shaft. In this regard I believe that Japan was a danger that had to be crushed, a country of bloodthirsty fanatics and they deserved everything they got in retaliation. So sink ships and send to back a few hundred children of the rising sun, it can make you feel better after each collapse, knowing he has helped to accelerate the fall of that dangerous regime for the civilized world.

07-23-15, 04:36 PM	#3
Zosimus XO Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Chorrillos, Lima, Peru Posts: 401 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Well, if you want to modify the game to make it easier, it's not difficult. Some people here, for example, have changed the explosive power of torpedoes. With extreme numbers, one torpedo could destroy an entire convoy. Alternatively you could accelerate the rollout of the new types of submarines or improved torpedoes. Imagine starting in 1939 with T5s. It wouldn't take more than an adjustment or two to let your submarine dive to 500 meters without difficulty. At that depth, you would never be picked up by ASDIC, and depth charges wouldn't hit you either. As for whether the Germans were evil (or the Japanese for that matter), I would say definitely not. There are a number of cautions available historically that American destroyers would fire on or depth charge German submarines. The submarines were under very strict orders to never retaliate against American aggression for fear of bringing the US into the war. At the beginning of the game, we are ordered not to fire on UK capital ships, and not to fire on French ships at all because any attempts along those lines may injure the attempts to negotiate the UK and France out of the war. I can think of at least one incident in which a u-boat attacked a ship, only to find that it contained Italian POWs. The u-boat broadcast its peaceful intentions and began the humanitarian rescue of the survivors only to find itself attacked by American forces soon thereafter. German u-boats attempted to follow the prize regulations whereas US subs waged unrestrained sub warfare from day one. I think it's also safe to say that no u-boat captains ever commanded any German concentration camps.

07-24-15, 06:09 PM	#5
jorgegonzalito Officer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina. Posts: 237 Downloads: 322 Uploads: 0	Zosimus: In your post you mean the so-called "Laconia incident" in which participated the U-156, I read about it, and I even saw a relatively modern film about the subject. In saying that Germany was fighting for the wrong cause and dark purposes, he had in mind the concentration camps but the simple fact that the country carried out a aggression war against other nations, so it was well demonstrated in Núremberg trials and is since then a crime, susceptible of being judged in any international court. With regard to improving the technical characteristics of the submarines and their weapons to play with advantage, I tried to accomplish missions in 1942 with a type XXI and the difference it is huge, but that is departing from the normal parameters. Nor can sink a convoy with atomic bomb, do not exaggerate. Anyway, we'll see how it goes in the Pacific Theater with the Americans. There are plenty of footage and even a TV series called "Silent Service".

07-24-15, 06:27 PM	#6
jorgegonzalito Officer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina. Posts: 237 Downloads: 322 Uploads: 0	20000 Leagues: Surfacing and cope with these gunboats or trawlers, it is an interesting idea, a little daring, but interesting. It is what the boat does not expect you to do. Emerges and shoot with the bow gun, even can run him since a type IX is much larger. Anything is better to stay submerged depth charges received for hours. Anyway if we will sink, we sink us fighting!

07-25-15, 07:34 AM	#8
jorgegonzalito Officer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina. Posts: 237 Downloads: 322 Uploads: 0	Jajaja! Yes! They said that the Atlantic Ocean was a lake compared with Pacific size.

07-25-15, 09:50 PM	#12
jorgegonzalito Officer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina. Posts: 237 Downloads: 322 Uploads: 0	Thanks Steve "Maillemaker" By sharing your experiences, and your sincerity in acknowledging that survive the game will it cost your good effort. In much I agree with your combat tactics related to the u-boats. However, the statistics presented above show that a vast difference between the loss of German submarines and the US, which I believe supports my theory that Silent Hunter IV "Wolves of Pacific" raises a more balanced naval warfare, and so much less stressful it is dealing with a virtual game.

07-25-15, 09:56 PM	#13
jorgegonzalito Officer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina. Posts: 237 Downloads: 322 Uploads: 0	Thanks Zosimus: Totally agree with you, I think my knees walking England and France could have stopped Germany began its war of aggression.