Life and Debt: A Greek Tragedy (merged) - Page 34

mapuc · 07-05-15, 04:55 PM

Another thought

Could it be so, the Greece voted no, with the mind set on living as they always have, with the same benefit. Meaning.

"I vote no, so I can keep on living good as I always have. I don't want to see my benefits go away."

Markus

Schroeder · 07-05-15, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penguin

we call it Köln.

Which is Cologne in English for all those not familiar with how German cities are really spelled.

Torplexed · 07-05-15, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Which is Cologne in English for all those not familiar with how German cities are really spelled.

Ha! Next you'll be telling us that Munich is really München.

Oberon · 07-05-15, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Which is Cologne in English for all those not familiar with how German cities are really spelled.

Explain Bielefeld then.

Oberon · 07-05-15, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

Another thought

Could it be so, the Greece voted no, with the mind set on living as they always have, with the same benefit. Meaning.

"I vote no, so I can keep on living good as I always have. I don't want to see my benefits go away."

Markus

Honestly, I don't think so, because the average Greek doesn't really have much in the way of benefits to go away. As many have pointed out, no matter what way Greece went with the referendum today, it was still going to be majorly screwed over in the immediate future. I think that this vote, if anything, is partially national pride, a determination to stick two fingers up at what has been portrayed as an overbearing European presence in Greek internal affairs. In a way, it's not that much different to all the other anti-EU movements which have been spreading throughout Europe over the past decade.
The Greeks know that hard times are coming, but it will be on their terms rather than on Berlins. In theory at least.

To quote the film 'Gandhi': "Mr. Kinnoch, I beg you to accept that there is no people on Earth who would not prefer their own bad government to the good government of an alien power."

Torplexed · 07-05-15, 05:41 PM

Argentina is often cited as a precedent for successfully defaulting when it abandoned the policy of pegging it's peso to the dollar. However, Greece faces a number of unique challenges. Unlike Argentina, Greece's economy and foreign policy are deeply intertwined with those of its European partners. Partners whom the Greeks have just greatly annoyed and who have strong incentives to ensure that Greece gets the raw end of the stick for the next few years. Greece also doesn't have a vast quantity of raw materials or finished goods it can export.

And while things went well for Argentina in the short term, they've gone sour with inflation in the long term.

mapuc · 07-05-15, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

Honestly, I don't think so, because the average Greek doesn't really have much in the way of benefits to go away. As many have pointed out, no matter what way Greece went with the referendum today, it was still going to be majorly screwed over in the immediate future. I think that this vote, if anything, is partially national pride, a determination to stick two fingers up at what has been portrayed as an overbearing European presence in Greek internal affairs. In a way, it's not that much different to all the other anti-EU movements which have been spreading throughout Europe over the past decade.
The Greeks know that hard times are coming, but it will be on their terms rather than on Berlins. In theory at least.

To quote the film 'Gandhi': "Mr. Kinnoch, I beg you to accept that there is no people on Earth who would not prefer their own bad government to the good government of an alien power."

Thank you for your answer.

I had two things on my mind when writing. Their retirement age is about 53 years. And the EU want Greece to raise it to 67. and their vacation pay, who should be something out of the ordinary was also forced to be changed(have heard it in a news program)

But I'm not an expert on Greece or state economics I can only reply what I read/see and hear on the news and Internet.

And even that is difficult-´cause I seem to get different information depending on which channel I watch or which Internet page I read

Markus

Onkel Neal · 07-05-15, 07:45 PM

One of these days it will be us

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Oberon · 07-05-15, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

One of these days it will be us

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Nah, Obamas Communist-fascist FEMA deathcamp dentist Muslims will have enslaved the US and money will be outlawed by then.

Rhodes · 07-06-15, 04:23 AM

Varoufakis resigns!

We have a expression here, "viram-se gregos para cá chegar!" Translate like someone fell greek to arrive/come/complete something, do to the language beeing hard/complecated to understand.
I think the greeks are indeed felling greeks...

Schroeder · 07-06-15, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

Nah, Obamas Communist-fascist FEMA deathcamp dentist Muslims will have enslaved the US and money will be outlawed by then.

And people will be forced to marry someone from the same sex.

Anyway, at least that clown Varoufakis has stepped down.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/06/news...gns/index.html

Don't think it'll change that much though.

*Edit* Damn you Rhodes you ninjaed me.

Rhodes · 07-06-15, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schroeder

*Edit* Damn you Rhodes you ninjaed me.

Sorry Schroeder, it was my first time!

For what I saw/read in the news, It's to facilitate the new negotiations and deals.

Catfish · 07-06-15, 05:21 AM

This is so nice:

Regarding the referendum they urged their followers to vote no, and when they did, the minister retreats.
I thought he would do that after a "yes" ?!

And now he retreats after being accepted, instead of dealing with the mess he created.

You really cannot make this up.

Jimbuna · 07-06-15, 05:25 AM

An interesting week ahead but the warning sign for me will be if, after France and Germany meet and if that meeting is closely followed by the ECB pulling the plug on the Greek banks....the EU intentions will then be crystal clear.

Oberon · 07-06-15, 05:43 AM

Unusual step for Varoufakis to take, I suspect that he was given the push because of his comments on Europe. Could well be that Tspiras is looking to take a more conciliatory tone on Europe now that the referendum went in his way. Of course, he's still under the impression that Greece can get a better deal now that it's rejected the offered one. For all we know he could well be right.

We are in completely unknown territory now.

07-05-15, 05:41 PM	#501
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Argentina is often cited as a precedent for successfully defaulting when it abandoned the policy of pegging it's peso to the dollar. However, Greece faces a number of unique challenges. Unlike Argentina, Greece's economy and foreign policy are deeply intertwined with those of its European partners. Partners whom the Greeks have just greatly annoyed and who have strong incentives to ensure that Greece gets the raw end of the stick for the next few years. Greece also doesn't have a vast quantity of raw materials or finished goods it can export. And while things went well for Argentina in the short term, they've gone sour with inflation in the long term. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

07-05-15, 07:45 PM	#503
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	One of these days it will be us http://www.usdebtclock.org/ __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

07-06-15, 04:23 AM	#505
Rhodes Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Figueira da Foz, Portugal Posts: 4,522 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	Varoufakis resigns! We have a expression here, "viram-se gregos para cá chegar!" Translate like someone fell greek to arrive/come/complete something, do to the language beeing hard/complecated to understand. I think the greeks are indeed felling greeks... __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/16416646@N05/

07-06-15, 05:21 AM	#508
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,819 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	This is so nice: Regarding the referendum they urged their followers to vote no, and when they did, the minister retreats. I thought he would do that after a "yes" ?! And now he retreats after being accepted, instead of dealing with the mess he created. You really cannot make this up. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-06-15, 05:25 AM	#509
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,308 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	An interesting week ahead but the warning sign for me will be if, after France and Germany meet and if that meeting is closely followed by the ECB pulling the plug on the Greek banks....the EU intentions will then be crystal clear. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

07-05-15, 04:55 PM	#496
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,612 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Another thought Could it be so, the Greece voted no, with the mind set on living as they always have, with the same benefit. Meaning. "I vote no, so I can keep on living good as I always have. I don't want to see my benefits go away." Markus

07-06-15, 05:43 AM	#510
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Unusual step for Varoufakis to take, I suspect that he was given the push because of his comments on Europe. Could well be that Tspiras is looking to take a more conciliatory tone on Europe now that the referendum went in his way. Of course, he's still under the impression that Greece can get a better deal now that it's rejected the offered one. For all we know he could well be right. We are in completely unknown territory now.