Germanwings Airbus Crashed in France

[Dowly]

Latest from BBC.

They (German prosecutors) said they had found torn-up sick notes in his homes, including one covering the day of the crash.

In their report, prosecutors in the city of Duesseldorf did not disclose the nature of Mr Lubitz's illness.

German media have said internal aviation authority documents suggest he suffered depression and required ongoing assessment.

Prosecutors said there was no evidence of a political or religious motive for his actions and no suicide note was found.

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32087203

[Oberon]

Seems to center on 'Politically Incorrect' news:

http://www.pi-news.net/

(Note the link to the 'German Defence League' on their site)

According to this site anyway:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015...Speed=noscript

Make of that what you will.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Latest from BBC.

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32087203

And everyone was assured both pilots were in the cockpit unconscience when the plane crashed too.


http://speisa.com/modules/articles/i...-to-islam.html


Like I said its scuttlebutt to the best of my knowledge nothing so far has been confirmed. Which makes me wonder how bbc.com can be so sure? Like Obe-wan said: "make of that what you will."

[Tchocky]

Good Lord this PI article really lunges for the bottom of the barrel

But nothing will happen. One can bet that the apologists (media, politics, "Islamic Scholars") will agree to assign this an act of a "mentally unstable" man, and you can bet that now, once again the mantra of how supposedly peaceful Islam is will continue. And worse still, the attacks by the left against those who have always warned against Islam, will be angrier and merciless.

Sounds familiar around here.

File under BS.

Which makes me wonder how bbc.com can be so sure?

Because they are more or less honest reporters who are reporting on exactly what the chief prosecutor said.


Whereas the ideologue over at PI can't help but cram his own religious biases into an article where they don't belong, and in fact is only writing about this in order to batter you over the head with politics. Note the difference in language between the two pieces.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by Oberon

You can't fly aircraft without trained pilots, but if you don't have enough trained pilots, what do you do? Reduce the number of aircraft, which will increase the price of tickets and drive customers to other companies (thanks capitalism) or reduce the amount of training needed in order to get more pilots.

There are certain professions where simple "economics of return" do not and should not even come into consideration.

In South Africa we experienced a huge shortage of medical doctors due to many of them leaving the country once it became a democratic state in the fullest sense. The same can be said for construction engineers, air traffic controllers, etc.

These professions, and many others, are directly linked to the immediate safety of the public. South Africa, faced with these immediate shortages and with now a huge demand of these services did not lessen the time required to become a co-pilot or pilot; lessen the time required to become a medical Dr; lessen the requirements that were needed from a construction engineer to ensure the safety of a high rise building in its construction - or a air traffic controller at anyone of its international airports juggling increasing and demanding air traffic.

What it did do to its credit (and there very few credits sadly), was to maintain the standards required and sought rather to import the needed skills required.

If I am flying on an airplane with my family or even not, I would not want or expect a cheaper ticket at the direct cost to my safety. If I held that view then I do not want to buy a car with an airbag, enhanced breaking system, safety features etc - rather let me save my pennies and buy that old banger from the second hand car lot with the bald tires to get me from A to B - and put mine and my loved ones safety into the hands of the gods.

[Von Tonner]

I am absolutely shell shocked at such a display of sheer naked utter arrogance from the CEO of Lufthansa.

While other obviously more responsible airlines are immediately introducing steps and procedures to counter such possible happenings - and I quote a few of them:

"Airlines including Norwegian Air Shuttle, Britain's easyJet, Air Canada, Air New Zealand and Air Berlin all said within hours that they had introduced a requirement that two crew members be in the cockpit at all times.

Canada said it would immediately impose such a rule on all its airlines while those that already had such rules in place, including Ryanair, rushed to reassure customers."

And: "In light of this unfortunate incident, SAA has decided to reassess the protocols it has in place," said SAA spokesperson Tlali Tlali.

"We will not hesitate to effect changes to these protocols should the reassessment identify areas of vulnerability. These protocols remain a critical ingredient for security, safety and peace of mind for our customers during their travel on our flights. "

BUT this is the response from Lufthansa:

Among the companies that did not announce such a policy change was Germanwings parent Lufthansa, whose CEO Carsten Spohr said he believed it was unnecessary.

"I don't see any need to change our procedures here," Spohr told journalists. "It was a one-off case. But we will look at it with the various experts at Lufthansa and the authorities. We shouldn't lose ourselves in short-term measures."

http://traveller24.news24.com/News/F...ocols-20150327

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

There are certain professions where simple "economics of return" do not and should not even come into consideration.

I'm not going to disagree with you, but people who make lots of money from ferrying passengers and cargo by aircraft might well do so.
Good to see that many are implementing the two man rule though (I honestly thought it was a worldwide thing until this incident). Once upon a time it would have been un-necessary because there would have been at least three people in the cockpit, but you don't see the Flight Engineer so much any more, I guess his position has been taken over by computers.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Seems to center on 'Politically Incorrect' news:

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Good Lord this PI article really lunges for the bottom of the barrel

FYI,
yes, PI is the bottom of the barrel.
You will find nothing but pseudo-intellectual-doomsdayprophet-scum there who bash against everything that remotely looks, sounds or smells 'foreign'.
The pages they link to and those who sponsor PI make that even more clear.

I was on that page a few times some years back and it's simply disgusting.
Stay off that site, or at least be aware what it is...

[Aktungbby]

Well, strictly as a an exercise in the universe-of-all-possibilities as with the EgyptAir disaster a few years back, on the off-chance that he might have had ties to radical Islam, I wonder what he was planning here.I don't trust news articles generally though-their first motive is to sell papers. <Andreas Lubitz On 9-11 all the 7 Bay Area bridges were placed under heavy military security-mostly National Guard. Street approaches under the footings were barricaded. EgyptAir flight 990 is never far from my mind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990 THis most recent crash may be a copy cat scenario. Those poor people. http://www.wcvb.com/news/alps-plane-crash-has-similarities-to-1999-egyptair-disaster/32025270

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

I am absolutely shell shocked at such a display of sheer naked utter arrogance from the CEO of Lufthansa.

Lufthansa has just joined the "2 people in the cockpit at all times" club.
And I think it's ok to first calm down and think about what to do rather then to do some knee jerk reaction.

Originally Posted by Rockstar

latest scuttlebutt indicates significant evidence has been found suggesting he was a Muslim convert.

Not one respectable German news source says anything about him being a convert.
There is a lot wrong with Islam these days so one should have enough to build arguments against it without having to make stuff up. It speaks volumes about the source.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Schroeder;2301358

Not one [I

respectable[/I] German news source says anything about him being a convert.
There is a lot wrong with Islam these days so one should have enough to build arguments against it without having to make stuff up. It speaks volumes about the source.

I don't trust news articles generally though-their first motive is to sell papers.

RGR that IMHO: had it been the case, some group would doubtless be claiming credit by now...I never thought there were disrespectable German news sources!

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

RGR that IMHO: had it been the case, some group would doubtless be claiming credit by now...I never thought there were disrespectable German news sources!

You never read the "Bild" then.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Lufthansa has just joined the "2 people in the cockpit at all times" club.
And I think it's ok to first calm down and think about what to do rather then to do some knee jerk reaction.

"knee jerk reaction" - seriously Schroeder - it was the OBVIOUS and immediate response for any airliner to do given what happened to issue an immediate policy that there must be two personnel in the cockpit at any given time. Why make an issue of it?

Actually the real elephant in the room after this terrible tragedy and the complete nut this guy was is the following question: How many co-pilots are in the employ of Lufthansa with less than 600 flying hours.

[Schroeder]

I still don't see the problem with the 630 hours the guy had. There was nothing wrong with his ability to fly the aircraft. Why do you guys have an issue with that? Last time I checked German pilots were not considered badly trained or a danger to international aviation.

[GoldenRivet]

There is the mentality, among pilots at least here in the states that one must "pay his dues" and "earn his way" into flying large capacity passenger aircraft.

Many aviators, myself included, spent years flight instructing, flying power line patrol, hauling bank documents at night in crappy weather in small single engine aircraft loaded to gross weight. And at 500-600 hours experience it was the best work we could get.

Part 121 at the lowly regional levels airlines wont normally interview a pilot "off the street" unless he has 1000-1500 hours in his book. And even then, there is no promise he'll get hired.

At my current experience level of over 5000 hours, airlines like southwest, united, America. Etc would (and have) laughed at my resume giving me the "LOL thanks anyway, try again later" notice

And here you have this guy with 600 hours flight time driving an A320 into the hills... Allegedly on purpose because his life sucks or whatever.

There are plenty of skilled aviators (in the USA at least) with three times his experience that would PAY just to stand next to an A320

Screw him and his 600 hours