Otto Carius expires

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Platapus! He was the #2 and highest decorated surviving Tiger tank ace of WWII. Wittmann- "the black baron" gets all the publicity but there were three who out scored him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_Panzer_aces_from_Germany

He's just one of those people I was shocked was still alive. And Hardegan is OLDER and still well!!!

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

He's just one of those people I was shocked was still alive. And Hardegan is OLDER and still well!!!

Yeah I'm following that with great interest actually and had posted on it . He's still playing golf...way to go Drumbeater!

[Fubar2Niner]

An amazing thread. Thank you all for pointing this out, I have spent best part the afternoon on wiki ( thanks Aktungbby ) chasing down the history. Not only of Carius, but of the other lesser knowns and there respective panzer groups. Barbarosa, thru to Normandy, Falaise and beyond. Thank you gents

Best regards.
Fubar2Niner

[Sailor Steve]

Back in 1998 I had the opportunity to talk to a man named Fred Schmid (he emphasized at the time that there was no 't' at the end).

He said at the time that he was then 72, and that he had joined the Wehrmacht at age 17 because his older brother had been killed in a train wreck on his way to start his enlistment. He said he was assigned to a tank on the Russian Front. He said he became a tank commander at age 18 when his commander was killed by a Russian bomber while he was outside the tank relieving himself, and he was the only crew member who could read and write properly, so his fellow tankers elected him leader. They were having a hard time getting replacements in 1944.

Was any of his story true? I don't know, but it was a good story.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Back in 1998 I had the opportunity to talk to a man named Fred Schmid (he emphasized at the time that there was no 't' at the end).

He said at the time that he was then 72, and that he had joined the Wehrmacht at age 17 because his older brother had been killed in a train wreck on his way to start his enlistment. He said he was assigned to a tank on the Russian Front. He said he became a tank commander at age 18 when his commander was killed by a Russian bomber while he was outside the tank relieving himself, and he was the only crew member who could read and write properly, so his fellow tankers elected him leader. They were having a hard time getting replacements in 1944.

Was any of his story true? I don't know, but it was a good story.

Never heard of that German troops had difficulties reading and writing. I think that must have been a joke. People still got their basic education before being drafted (at least before 1945 when the Nazis threw everyone to the front who could walk on two legs).

[Stealhead]

I don't see why it isn't when you are in a world war you need troops badly thus you'll take men that in less desperate times might not be allowed entry.

Both my father and uncle who enlisted in the Army and Air Force in the early 60's explained how in basic they asked for those who had at least two years college raise hands. Next they asked for those unable to read to raise hands. Next they said college boys pick one person who can't read and teach them for the duration of basic training as a result both my father and uncle taught a man how to read in less than 90 days.

I highly doubt that Germany or any country for age group who served in WWII had a 100% literacy rate hell no country today dose.

I'd bet during WWII in any beligerants armed force the functional literacy rate was 70~75% lower in the USSR maybe 65%(based on books by Russian soldiers not picking on Russians).

[Schroeder]

My grandfather was drafted in 1943 and went through the normal school system like it was peace time. You only need to go through elementary school to be able to read and write. A soldier who is illiterate is severely handicapped especially in an army that loves forms and bureaucracy. He can't read manuals for his gear (I imagine that was quite important for a Tiger crew), can't take notes in briefings, can't read city names on maps, can't write reports. I highly doubt such people would be allowed to operate a Tiger. They would rather be holding a rifle in their hands or a kitchen knife.