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u crank · 01-31-15, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Ok i'd say i'd say i am sorry, but isn't it a bit dumb to blame nations for what they did in the past, with generations that have long passed away. While i feel that our country behaved thoroughly wrong and atrocious and we should not forget it to prevent future events like that, i sure do not feel responsible for it personally.
Just like Ikalugin.

Well said. I'm sure if we wanted to any one of us could bring up the past and hold grudges for things that other generations have done. My ancestors were Acadians and there are some of them who can't get over 1755. I'm over it. I was never under it. The future is all we have.

mapuc · 01-31-15, 01:21 PM

Sad we didn't lived nearby each other I would have invited you to our nearest pub and the first beer was on me- so we could be friends

Markus

Aktungbby · 01-31-15, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

First he was after us evil Germans, now he is after those wicked Russians.

"black as the pit from pole to pole" -INVICTUS

August · 01-31-15, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

First he was after us evil Germans, now he is after those wicked Russians.

Given what your two countries have done to his over the past 100 years can you blame him?

Bilge_Rat · 01-31-15, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kranz

so, how much does ikalugin pay you to cover up his dirty lies about russians?
seriously, tell me. I might offer a bit more so that moderators wouldn't have to secretly delete 'inconvenient' posts.

Kranz,

you are looking at this all wrong. What you have to ask yourself is how many people are gullible enough to believe there are no Russian troops in ukraine.

01-31-15, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Given what your two countries have done to his over the past 100 years can you blame him?

Yes, absolutely.
Because hating or even criticizing a nations people today for things that happened generations ago is a testimony of stupidity, ignorance and lack of education in that matter.

'The Russians' raped and massacred German civilians in WW2.
So... no one can blame me if I'd hate all 'dem pesky Russkies, right?
Great logic August. But then again... I'm not surprised.

Sometimes...

August · 01-31-15, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Yes, absolutely.
Because hating or even criticizing a nations people today for things that happened generations ago is a testimony of stupidity, ignorance and lack of education in that matter.

'The Russians' raped and massacred German civilians in WW2.
So... no one can blame me if I'd hate all 'dem pesky Russkies, right?
Great logic August. But then again... I'm not surprised.

Sometimes...

Like I care whether you're surprised or not. Given what your grandfathers did to his I think it's entirely reasonable that they remain suspicious and distrusting of your claims of rehabilitation for a few more generations at least.

Catfish · 01-31-15, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Given what your two countries have done to his over the past 100 years can you blame him?

Oh yes i can.

What, on the other hand, have german relatives of former prussian land owners to do or demand from now polish owners of said property, generations later? Do they really miss "their" country, or isn't that just political bull? Next war?

If i get on a vendetta against any successor or relative (or anyone else) of anyone who has done something wrong against any member of any germanic tribe in the last 2000 years, or at least three generations ago, i will most probably end up like a good motivated citizen in the middle east.

CCIP · 01-31-15, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Like I care whether you're surprised or not. Given what your grandfathers did to his I think it's entirely reasonable that they remain suspicious and distrusting of your claims of rehabilitation for a few more generations at least.

Rehabilitation from what? Are you suggesting that being born to a particular nationality or family means you have to be "rehabilitated" or apologize for what other people chose to do?

And let's not forget, if you dig far enough, things are not entirely clean on any side of history. Poland - like any other country - has plenty of skeletons in its closet. I'm not suggesting digging any of them up, of course, because that's shallow and petty. Just like attacking someone who offers a perspective that disagrees with yours, but has always been able to rationally discuss it, concede points, look for evidence, and otherwise behave as an exemplary forum member, is shallow and petty.

Likewise, I can't claim to speak for a nation or group in particular, but it strikes me as rather vapid to constantly get on the soapbox and proclaim victimhood for the sake of shutting down everybody else. Who made you the ambassador of all the victims of Russian imperialism, and what are things going to look like if every one of us decides to randomly become the victimhood ambassador of their persecuted group? Being Russian/Ukrainian/German/Finnish in almost equal parts in my heritage, am I, for example, supposed to be in a constant state of demanding apologies from myself to myself? Or maybe we should just shut the forums down before one of our native American members (and I know there's been a few) declares every discussion of US politics to be offensive since it legitimizes the illegal annexation of native lands?

01-31-15, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Like I care whether you're surprised or not. Given what your grandfathers did to his I think it's entirely reasonable that they remain suspicious and distrusting of your claims of rehabilitation for a few more generations at least.

Thank you for supporting my point...

Oberon · 01-31-15, 04:21 PM

Wow...that's all I can say...just wow.

Well...I guess we'd better start with the ancient homo sapien transgressions against neanderthals and work on from there.

Betonov · 01-31-15, 04:26 PM

Us Slovenes collaborated with Napoleon.
And the south slavs were a part of the destruction of the Roman empire.
And my noble side of the ancestry, feudalism should be a crime on it's own.

ReallyDedPoet · 01-31-15, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Wow...that's all I can say...just wow.

Well...I guess we'd better start with the ancient homo sapien transgressions against neanderthals and work on from there.

Yes this

Tango589 · 01-31-15, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Rehabilitation?

No, no, no.

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Being Russian/Ukrainian/German/Finnish in almost equal parts in my heritage, am I, for example, supposed to be in a constant state of demanding apologies from myself to myself?

Yes, just as I have had to have long reconciliatory talks between my English and Irish ancestry, where we thrashed out peace talks, reached agreements and promised to stop letting off violent explosions in my underpants.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 01-31-15, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Wow...that's all I can say...just wow.

Well...I guess we'd better start with the ancient homo sapien transgressions against neanderthals and work on from there.

If we go that route, I predict overcrowding in the Brig...

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mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,537 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Sad we didn't lived nearby each other I would have invited you to our nearest pub and the first beer was on me- so we could be friends Markus

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Wow...that's all I can say...just wow. Well...I guess we'd better start with the ancient homo sapien transgressions against neanderthals and work on from there.

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Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Us Slovenes collaborated with Napoleon. And the south slavs were a part of the destruction of the Roman empire. And my noble side of the ancestry, feudalism should be a crime on it's own.