Jane Fonda: ‘Hanoi Jane’ Moment Was A ‘Huge Mistake’

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by Betonov

I think she meant raising children to hold everything inside them which ferments over the years and finally blows open with alcohol abuse and/or violence.

That's how I read it too... maybe not quite as drastic, but yeah...

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by MH

USA was fighting communism and communist insurgency as global policy.
It made sense at that time.
Problem was that this war dragged on for too long and due to geopolitical circumstances decisive victory turned out to be impossible.
America rightly left Vietnam due to pressure at home and generally horrifying nature of the war that could not be won.
Eventually it turned out the communism did not took over the world ( portably it never could ) while the conflicts continued elsewhere.

At the end what happened after N. Vietnamese took over?
Millions executed , disappeared.

While criticizing American policy during cold war , interesting question is what would happen if USA had been passive during whole cold war.
How world would look today , if lives would had been saved or worth living.
Shortly would world be better place.?
...not that im against criticism . I don't like the trendy ones.

Give this man a lighthouse

Plus the lessons learned may have kept us out of other world conflicts.

Plus led to an all volunteer fighting force of men and women that serve today.

[fred8615]

This is not her first so called "apology." Some years back she also "apologized" while filming some movie, after vets started protesting while they were shooting. I think she also wrote in a book or in an interview the AA gun picture was a "mistake."

My question is, has she ever apologized for calling the POWs "liars and hypocrites" for saying when they got home they were being tortured by the North Vietnamese, when she publicly proclaimed they were being well treated during her trip?

[Platapus]

Did she use the words "I am sorry" and "I made a made a mistake/I was wrong"?

This sterile "it was a mistake" kinda distances her from what she said and what she did. This an issue about what SHE did and what SHE said. Not some intellectual impersonal mistake.

Those are the words I would like to hear.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by U-15

Probably got a book coming out

As I recall she did write a book a few years ago where she wrote about the whole Vietnam trip and how she was wrong. Apparently at signings there where a surprising number of Vietnam Vets buying the book. I guess maybe to see her in person.

Honestly seems like it depends on who you ask some Nam Vets knew she was young and being duped and where not that upset about it. My father for example never was bothered and he was very much a direct combatant. He is not the only Nam Vet that I know personally that feels that way.

I knew another guy that did talk about her a lot he ended up shooting himself in the head so I think he had other issues and would have these post war problems regardless of anything Jane Fonda did or did not do.

I think she made a poor choice at young age which is the point where most of us make bad decisions only hers was more public and pretty bad.

[Onkel Neal]

The protesting I can understand. Vietnam was a difficult time, and since we are a democracy, the right to oppose government actions is part of the game. But visiting an enemy nation and helping them with propaganda... well, I guess it surprises me that she could reenter the country easily.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Huge mistake....zero apology. She still has no idea what she did. That simple.

What a tool.

Exactly. To her "a huge mistake" only means what being a traitor to her country cost her professionally, not that what she did was morally wrong.

[Stealhead]

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

The book was published in 2005 she got tobacco spit on by a man claiming to be a vet at one signing. Its in there way at the bottom. As well as three quoted direct apologies for Platpus .

Not saying I'm a fan of Fonda but I am a fan of the truth.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I dont think the issue was protesting the war, that was very widespread in '72, you often had anti-war rallies with hundred of thousands participating.

The issue was visiting North Vietnam in time of war, that was pretty much over the top, not to mention this picture:

I see Jane Fonda crewing an anti aircraft gun in participation with enemy combatants

[Jeff-Groves]

To A huge Star with a lot of Money?
It's always a 'mistake' that we should pat them on the back for and say 'there there' all is forgiven.
I vote to burn the Wench every chance we get!

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

Exactly. To her "a huge mistake" only means what being a traitor to her country cost her professionally, not that what she did was morally wrong.

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I see Jane Fonda crewing an anti aircraft gun in participation with enemy combatants

Too late Jane!
Tell it to the air crew's that survived and the pilot's families who lost loved ones.

You'll always be Hanoi Jane.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

Exactly. To her "a huge mistake" only means what being a traitor to her country cost her professionally, not that what she did was morally wrong.

Yes but urinal stickers have sold like mad!!! She got none of the proceeds.

[CCIP]

On the other hand, she's not someone who was ever in military service. Unless there's proof that she actually fired a weapon at an American or participated in illegally arming or supplying an enemy, I don't really see what crime she committed, besides the crime of horribly bad taste and stupidity. I thought freedom to travel and speak where one pleases was one of fundamentally American rights, and I did not think that American citizens who are not in military service have any obligation to prohibit themselves from traveling wherever they like and associating with whomever they want. Last I checked, being an idiot on camera does not constitute an act of armed aggression. And if it does, why aren't Romney and Cheney and co. not in prison for being buddy-buddy with Saddam?

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by CCIP

And if it does, why aren't Romney and Cheney and co. not in prison for being buddy-buddy with Saddam?

I don't think there is a Law about fraternizing with the enemy except for the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
It still boils down to the Golden Rule.
He who has the Gold Rules.
She has money so expects/demands us to forgive her.
I'll forgive her when hell freezes over and not before.

If one were to pull that same stunt with say ISIS? I could see a fast trip to Gitmo on their agenda.

[Mr Quatro]

I hated Jane Fonda for the story about giving the prisoners social security numbers they had carefully written down on small pieces of paper and handed to her which in turn it was said that she then handed to a Vietnam general standing nearby, but all lies.

Now I am the one that has to change my mind about her and where do all those lies come from anyway?

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

I have spoken with all the parties named: Carrigan, Driscoll, et al. They all state that this particular internet story is a hoax and they wish to disassociate their names from the false story.

Let's set the record straight. It has been reported on the Internet in recent years that POWs surreptitiously slipped Fonda messages which she turned over to the North Vietnamese. That story is false. Also untrue is that any POW died for refusing to meet with Fonda.