Terrorist attack in Paris on French magazine

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by u crank

According to all I have read in this thread and others all Muslims are radicals. If they are not radicals then by definition they are not Muslim. If they claim to be Muslims but are not radicals then they are either misinformed or they don't really know what they are.

Must be hard being a Muslim.

Well, the purest forms of Islams are those branches through the ME. Unlike other religions, it continues to be a religion of brutality and war. The people that live through the ME for the most part still live like they did 1000 years ago. Islam hasn't reformed of come out of the dark ages.

Moderates basically live in democratic modern nations, somewhat reformed. Yea, still bigots and racist....but we call them moderates....much like our Christian moderates...

I guess the world still needs religion I guess, but be nice when we evolve from the big 3 into beliefs more spiritual and peaceful than those that claim divine authority. It really doesn't matter what you believe if your books teach your God will destroy and cast all those that don't agree with him and you into eternal torture. It seems religious people know no ends to hurting people, I guess if their God can torture people for all eternity simply for being born failed humans.....why not them.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I'll call him whatever his posts show him to be.


Those politicians you speak of are just as wrong as he is.

That said, I prefer their mistakes to his.

Peace

but didn't you say they don't really exist........

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Armistead

but didn't you say they don't really exist........

Who or what don't exist?

Posts? Politicians? Mistakes?

Work on the writing.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Who or what don't exist?

Posts? Politicians? Mistakes?

Work on the writing.

better you work on your short term memory....maybe more vitamins ...

edit...maybe I should work on mine....got you confused with Oberon.....my apology...

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Do no call Skybird that.

in my countries Denmark and Sweden, there are politician and other authorities who think that every Muslim is "not dangerous at all" and that it is us who's to blame when these poor Muslim has to "make a terror-attack"

Markus

It is what it is. Go back in this thread Markus, and read what I've written. Skybird has, on more than one point in this thread, agreed with sentiments made by Adolf Hitler. The only difference is the religion involved.

Originally Posted by Armistead

It can start by stop appeasing all the outside radicals, paying millions, business deals.....Even when you protect yourselves, you hurt countless people elsewhere... It's like if I bought drugs from my local dealer...I'm not hurting him, but I'm supporting a system elsewhere that is murdering 1000's...

I don't think we do in the post-9/11 world. Sure, there's still funds for Palestine, but that's a seperate issue which would derail this thread further if we were to go into it.

We have a complex problem, there's no easy answer.

This we can both agree on. And the whole far-right style approach of deporting Muslims who don't follow orders is not an answer.

It was great to see what happened in France today...Maybe now you will realize you can't appease for peace.

Hopefully so will the US.

France continues to allow 100's if not 1000's join the fight in ISIS...Maybe deal with that...These are going to continue to come back home to you.

Yes, and when the US finds a way to stop all those Mexicans crossing the border that it can't even track, then let Europe know so it can do the same to its borders.

Islam must reform itself if we are to have any hope of of a moderate future, but we must treat moderates as we would any other religion...they should get no favor or appeasement.

But equally they should get no aggression, otherwise if they feel that no-one wants them, that there's no place for them where they're living, that the people around them are rejecting them, then they will stop being moderates and start being radicals. And when you get people like Skybird saying that they can't be Muslims without being violent thugs then, well, what's the point in even trying?

Here in America, our cultural religion, Christianity, is abused and insulted every way possible, you hear no one in the media saying....be gentler about it, the same with politicians, but it's common to hear them remarking about not offending Islam...

Politicians will say anything if they think it'll get them an extra vote. You know that as well as I do. Yet, the law stays the law. Hate speech is not the same as Freedom of speech, you can't condemn the radical Imam calling for death to the west in one breath and complain that the government won't let you call for the removal of Muslims in another. Not targeting you in particular here, but just stating a fact.
Besides, when Monty Python released their film 'Life of Brian', they didn't receive love and adulation. They received death threats, and 39 UK councils refused to show it.

France and the world must join in the fight to take the fight to the radicals where ever they are, ME, Africa, etc.....We must stop supporting dictators and govts. like Saudi Arabia that support radicals behind the curtains.

Not arguing there. If it wasn't for our dependency on the oil that the likes of Saudi Arabia produce by the barrel load I imagine we would be a lot more aggressive towards them. So really, our first and foremost objective should be to wean our nations off oil, through new technology. Of course, thanks to our big businesses who profit along with the Saudis from this oil trade, such things are unlikely to happen, but that's capitalism for you.

There is much to do and no right answer, but we know the wrong ones...we can't bow or give a inch of freedom in law or word to any religion...

Fully agree, everyone should be equal in the face of the law or word, no matter what religion, sex, race, age or sexual preference.

Few people agree with me on that though...sadly...

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Armistead

better you work on your short term memory....maybe more vitamins ...

edit...maybe I should work on mine....got you confused with Oberon.....my apology...

No, no it's my fault...Jedi mind tricks and that...

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Oberon

No, no it's my fault...Jedi mind tricks and that...

well, least I apologized for my offence and left my post up for my own embarrassment......

takes a man secure with his manhood to do that..

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Well, the purest forms of Islams are those branches through the ME. Unlike other religions, it continues to be a religion of brutality and war. The people that live through the ME for the most part still live like they did 1000 years ago. Islam hasn't reformed of come out of the dark ages.

Most of what goes on in the ME and Africa, parts of it, is nothing more than a turf war between rival groups of thugs and gangsters. The rule of the gun. The religious part is secondary and yes it has been going on for 1000 of years. Much of it takes place in countries that are not democracies and that are socially unstable. Some of that instability has been caused by Western intervention.

Moderates basically live in democratic modern nations, somewhat reformed. Yea, still bigots and racist....but we call them moderates....much like our Christian moderates...

Really? Are you saying that all non radical Muslims are bigots? Are you saying that all moderate Christians are bigots? I must have read that wrong.

I guess the world still needs religion I guess, but be nice when we evolve from the big 3 into beliefs more spiritual and peaceful than those that claim divine authority. It really doesn't matter what you believe if your books teach your God will destroy and cast all those that don't agree with him and you into eternal torture.

I know that you know that not every person who has a religious belief thinks that way.

It seems religious people know no ends to hurting people, I guess if their God can torture people for all eternity simply for being born failed humans.....why not them.

Are people without religious beliefs capable of the same things?

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

What it boils down to is - anyone with a tangential religious association to hateful violent fascists has to self-criticise and completely alter their way of life, or face deportation to God knows where.

I think Abbas will be on a plane by tomorrow, just as the representatives of Bahrain, Qatar and the UAE.

The list of politicians who attended today's demonstration in Paris makes my blood boil. Way to take a dump on the murdered journalists. Nearly everybody of them is responsible for attacks on the freedom of the press in their home countries in various degrees. In other news: hypocrites being hypocrites.

[Tchocky]

It's not hypocrisy to recognise the difference between less-then-total press freedom and people being murdered for drawing a cartoon.

I don't think this is a great area to splash around with moral relativism.

Of course there were some people attending who have no business doing so. This is a minority and anyone who considers murder for cartoons to be illegitimate has a right to attend and to speak.

People in glass houses should not throw stones, no.

The car thief still has the right to judge the murderer.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I'll call him whatever his posts show him to be.


Those politicians you speak of are just as wrong as he is.

That said, I prefer their mistakes to his.

Peace

I'm Sorry I shouldn't point finger at you and tell you what you can do and not do.

I just have problems calling people things if they not by their own words say that they are this or this.

A former Danish minister want to have some kind of censorship when it comes to Muslim. Every Danish person, should as usual have free speech..but not when it comes to Muslim and their Koran and Muhammad

A Swedish Minister wants to decreased the rightwings rights.

Markus

[Armistead]

Not being talked about much in light of the few dead in France....Why OVER BLOW it.....just a entire town far away..

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/09/africa...aram-violence/

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Not being talked about much in light of the few dead in France....Why OVER BLOW it.....just a entire town far away..

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/09/africa...aram-violence/

Have read about it and it clearly show us that these radical Muslim is not some kind for kindergarden and our politician should take them very serious


Markus

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by u crank

Are people without religious beliefs capable of the same things?

Sure, if not religion, something else or systemic belief is needed to control the masses. I accept we haven't evolved to the point we can survive without the majority of people being controlled by something indoctrinated into their minds.. Religion was our first attempt at science and fact is a good majority of the world still prefers it emotionally over science. Physically they like science...

however, the worse ones, certainly the ones that never go away are those with divine authority....

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

It's not hypocrisy to recognise the difference between less-then-total press freedom and people being murdered for drawing a cartoon.

I don't think this is a great area to splash around with moral relativism.

Of course there were some people attending who have no business doing so. This is a minority and anyone who considers murder for cartoons to be illegitimate has a right to attend and to speak.

I explicitely picked Abbas and those leaders as they are a prime examples of being in bed with hateful violent fascists.

And it's not moral relativism to complain about suppressing press freedom - it's where a line should be drawn. Silencing a journalist with laws is the first step into an area which ends in silencing them with a bullet.
Just as supporting attacks on people for their beliefs ends in putting people into cattle cars.

Among the thousands of people who attended today's rally is probably a fair share of folks who were peed off by some drawings but voice their opinion against murdering bastards - they have every right to be there. However people who attend the demonstration and support laws to suppress the freedom to voice an opinion should gtfo or stayed home.