Terrorist attack in Paris on French magazine

[Silent Steel]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Always. I've apologized to so many people so many times it would be wrong of me to do otherwise to someone else. As someone once said to me, it shows real class. It also helps us get to know one another, which to me is the real reason we're here.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Oberon

The thing is though, Tribesman, you're your own worst enemy, really.

Think about it this way, I've spent the past week in the local county court, three days of which was spent in a case involving a suspected drug dealer. It was not up to the defence to prove the man innocent, but to the prosecution to prove him guilty, the presumption of innocence as it is legally known as. As such, the prosecution called two people to the stand and brought forward evidence to the jury so that we may judge whether he is innocent or guilty, and likewise the defence brought forward the defendant himself so that the same process can be undertaken.
If the prosecution had turned to the jury and said "Well, go and look for the evidence yourself" the case, and the prosecution would have been dismissed.
Likewise, if you are writing an essay for an academic institution and you quote from a book or another essay, you are asked to provide a source for this quote in the bibliography or reference section at the rear of the paper. If you were to simply write in that section "Go and look for it yourself" then you would likely receive a lot of red ink and a stern lecture from whoever you're writing the essay for.
Using the search function in Subsim isn't that hard, for example you referred to:



So, you go into the search function and do this:



which gives you this:



And then when you click on the one you want, you can just click on the post number and then copy and paste the link directly into your post, like this:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...7&postcount=16

It really is not that difficult, and when you are the first to pull apart the links provided by other people and yet so reluctant to provide them yourself, it does rather create an air of hypocrisy.
So, surely it's better to provide links to your claims, using the search function, or even google if you wish, and add that extra bit of legitimacy and authenticity to your post rather than just mocking the other poster for not searching for it themselves.

Uh, ok, for the record, the first link is me replying to someone...
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...98#post1092998

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Uh, ok, for the record, the first link is me replying to someone...
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...98#post1092998

Exactly, this is what I mean about taking things out of context.

[mapuc]

Respect this is what it's all about

I respect Skybirds standpoint

I respect Tribesmans standpoint

I respect the other debaters standpoint

This is not necessary the same as I should have the same standpoint as they have.

And try not to convinced a debater to change his or her mind, debate with this person or just ignore him or her.


Just my thought

Markus

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Oberon

That's number two on the genocide list.
Stay classy people.

I didn't call for genocide, just winning. We are the ones that can decide if we win or lose. I'd rather win, if we're not in it to win it what are we doing involved in the first place. Hopefully not just lining someones pockets.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by em2nought

I didn't call for genocide, just winning. We are the ones that can decide if we win or lose. I'd rather win, if we're not in it to win it what are we doing involved in the first place. Hopefully not just lining someones pockets.

No, you said:

People that aren't "needed" should learn to play nice lest they get a visit from Bockscar or Enola Gay.

Which calls for a nuclear attack on the nation who is not playing 'nice'. So, taking your analogy, let's drop a 'Fat man' on Mosul, which will kill an estimated 95,000 people, men, women, children, the young and the old.
And you really think that will make Muslim extremists go "Oh...I guess I'd better not attack the Westerners anymore", these are not people guided by logic, this is not the Empire of Japan, there is no logical leadership, no rational Emperor. You could nuke every major city in Afghanistan and Iraq, and all you would accomplish is to make the United States even more hated than North Korea, and increase the recruitment rate for radical Islam by about 1000%.

Great Success!

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by CCIP

And that right there is the problem, the insistence on dividing everything into "us and them", the "good guys vs. bad guys", "black and white". I have no sympathy and a lot of anger at the terrorists. I despise those who support them and argue for them, and I have a lot of ideological concerns, even with their religion. But you can't start dehumanizing and you can't rely on emotional language and bright examples to make arguments that boil down to, well, what do they boil down to? All I've done is extended the logical conclusion of "othering" arguments and their sociopolitical implications. At the very least, those need to be addressed. And when they're stated out in the open, I think I rightly abhor them.

I'm not opposed to hunting down and neutralizing actual terrorists, and I applaud the French police for doing so. I'm all for critically questioning and satirically testing religion and everything else. I unequivocally support actual victims of terrorism, and believe me, I've more than enough personal experience with them.

Good, I agree with you 100% I dont much like what is going on either.

There's a million logical and rhetorical fallacies in this argument, but the most prominent one is the one that I brought up a couple of days back in the "Stockhold Syndrome" thread - the fallacious and unfair claim to victimization and persecution. What gives with the siege mentality? Why are you speaking on behalf of the victims - real, imagined, or projected? A lot of this is vain, detached from reality, and politically exploitable to some very deplorable ends. At least earlier, someone was kind enough to explicitly state them.

Let me ask do you think I was claiming to be a victim or somehow implying we can all now claim to be victims? I'll admit an arguement could be made that I did not provide enough of my own personal thoughts as to why I did that, questions could have been asked, answers easily given. To be honest I simply posted it as food for thought, they were excerpts from several listed sources that indicated the Syndrome may not be linked soley to people in active hostage situations. But may also be a cause why some do nothing in other types of stressful events, that was my take on it. I never expected anyone would leap right in fangs out hair on fire and start diagnosing mental illness from behind a computer screen and quoting DSM Manual.

Again: I'm not defending terrorists and extremists and they can go to whatever version of hell their beliefs dictate. What I don't want to live in is a society with an "us vs. them" mentality that starts painting people in broad [whatever]-phobic strokes.

I never said you were defending anyone, I mentioned you were angry though. But arent we all.

And yes, to echo Steve, to say that to a member with nearly 10k posts and a history of being at least reasonable is a bit unfair and upsetting. I don't want to leave Subsim and I care a lot about the site and the community. I just really deplore what's being said here, and have every right to do so.

Well, to that I again say I apologize for my previous statement. I dont want you to go anywhere either.

[mapuc]

I say it's OK to drop the bomb...the day they have developed it, so it only kills these brain dead radical people, whether it's religious or political.

.....Not before.

Markus

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Oberon

No, you said:



Which calls for a nuclear attack on the nation who is not playing 'nice'. So, taking your analogy, let's drop a 'Fat man' on Mosul, which will kill an estimated 95,000 people, men, women, children, the young and the old.
And you really think that will make Muslim extremists go "Oh...I guess I'd better not attack the Westerners anymore", these are not people guided by logic, this is not the Empire of Japan, there is no logical leadership, no rational Emperor. You could nuke every major city in Afghanistan and Iraq, and all you would accomplish is to make the United States even more hated than North Korea, and increase the recruitment rate for radical Islam by about 1000%.

Great Success!

So, you're saying there is no way to beat them unless we get rid of "all" of them? I don't buy that. It might take more than two, but at some number they're going to rethink their position. I'd probably give them advanced warning dropping cartoon leaflets of what's coming if that softens your opinion of me.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I say it's OK to drop the bomb...the day they have developed it, so it only kills these brain dead radical people, whether it's religious or political.

.....Not before.

Markus

On whom? Do you want to wipe out entire cities because their idiot leaders developed something they were not supposed to have? They've got to be stopped before that (knowledge would leak before that thing was actually build anyway so it would be too late) and without nuking someone. Nukes are the very last resort and in my opinion unsuitable to deal with radicals. Too much fallout, too much collateral damage.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

On whom? Do you want to wipe out entire cities because their idiot leaders developed something they were not supposed to have? They've got to be stopped before that (knowledge would leak before that thing was actually build anyway so it would be too late) and without nuking someone. Nukes are the very last resort and in my opinion unsuitable to deal with radicals. Too much fallout, too much collateral damage.

Either you have misunderstood me or I have not explain it clearly enough

Some one said we should drop the bomb thereby killing thousands of innocent people. I say that we should FIRST drop the bomb the DAY it ONLY kills these braind dead radical terrorist whether it's religious or political terrorist.

I'm at no point interested in killing innocent muslim children, women or men.

Markus

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I say it's OK to drop the bomb...the day they have developed it, so it only kills these brain dead radical people, whether it's religious or political.

.....Not before.

Markus

Like a neutron bomb only this one kills idiots. You could call it idiot-tonic bomb. Could be rather dangerous come to think of it.

You could say "listen here buddy you keep it up and I'll kill every last one of your idiots." Then the response would be "well I doubt that you actually developed such a weapon surely a test dropping would have killed most of your population." The response to that would be "of course you idiot that's the idea it is a dooms day weapon."

[Skybird]

Wowh - I leave the house for just a few hours, and you guys already are at atomic and neutron bombs once again.!

Since we are at it - Syria has been found to already go once again after the nuclear bomb.

LINK.

You have to give it to Assad - he has his priorities, no matter whether there is a civil war or IS.

And Hezbollah is aboard as well, providing military guarding to the facility. Good morning Hezbollah - long time no see!

Back to the mainprogram.

[August]

So what such a "smart bomb" might look like?

My guess, many tiny autonomous drones that look and act like a fly carrying a payload of poison. Each one capable observing and distinguishing enemy combatants from non combatants, able to conceal itself and stay dormant for long periods of time and strike simultaneously either by remote command or by pre-programmed timer or maybe even upon the initiation of other events.

How many years away is such technology do you figure?

[Schroeder]

@Mapuc
Sorry, I misunderstood your post.