Terrorist attack in Paris on French magazine

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Hold on!
I thought media people were the bad guys?
Did I miss something?

Just wait a few moments someone will come in here label it a hate site, then go on about how even though they carry the banner of the great chicken, cluck like a chicken, peck like a chicken and publically claim to be chickens. Will still try to convince me and others they really are not chickens. But as I said before dont waste your time trying to convince me, go convince the chickens.

[Jeff-Groves]

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by danasan

IIRC, you are a journalist?

Nah, I am a tv tech. Although I had a press card for some time, I mainly worked for satire - unfortunately the DJW sees it similar and tightened the rules for their membership, excluding folks who mostly work at producing fictional content.

That's why I wrote earlier that the CH attack felt hittinng pretty close to home to me - and that's why I understand the "Screw y'all - now more than ever!"-attitude by satire editors.

[Skybird]

24 hours ago, Saudi Arabia paid lip-confessions and "condemened" the terror strike in France as "unislamic". Today, regime- and Islam-critical blogger Raif Badawi was given 50 beats with the whip after the Friday "prayer", which is the beginning of his penalty to which he was sentenced for "offending Islam". Every 8 days from now on he will be whipped again, because the total penalty to which he was sentenced, is for 1000 beats with the whip.

He hardly will survive that until the end.

Saudi Arabia further supports Islamic terrorism and radicalisation centres across the whole West with several hundred Million dollars per year.

Thank Allah all that has nothing to do with Islam. What a relief. And they thankfully expressed their condemnation of the attack in Paris, which really is not easy to achieve and is quite an investment.

Good friends are precious in times like these!

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Good friends are precious in times like these!

I agree, lets put import duties on their frickin' oil just to show them that we don't "need" them anymore at all. People that aren't "needed" should learn to play nice lest they get a visit from Bockscar or Enola Gay.

Ok, I've got ulterior motives for the "oil" bit. Don't think I like seeing us stack out. Going to hurt my pocketbook if rigs aren't moving.

[Tchocky]

Edited to remove just about everything.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

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Tchocky, your demands mean nothing to me. Nor does your split-tongued thinking. And now come back to your senses and some basic behavioral rules in this forum. Or stay away. That we two cannot stand each other we know since many years, but we must not bother the whole board with it on and on. And I certainly have no interest to start trading PMs with you. You can chat with Tribesman. I think his company will suit you well.

So again, stay way.

You start to sound like a 12 year old heading for puberty.

[Rockstar]

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Tchocky, your demands mean nothing to me.

I'm not exactly surprised.

Nor does your split-tongued thinking.

Split-tongued? Hardly. I've been perfectly clear that I find your ideas execrable, loathsome and worthy of nothing but derision and abuse. If I've been less then forthright in this regard please let me know and I'd be happy to elaborate.

I can do so with only the rubbish you've posted today. It's not difficult.

By the way, any evidence you have of me being split-tongued would be appreciated. Since it's so obvious to you it shouldn't be hard to find. Either back it up or keep your mouth shut.

And now come back to your senses and some basic behavioral rules in this forum. Or stay away.

Don't even consider taking this line of argument with me again.

Don't even consider bringing the idea of "basic behaviour" to your side of this argument.

It doesn't suit you. You wouldn't like it.

I repeat your words back to you. You think those who supported Charlie Hebdo after the massacre deserve nothing but pain and death. I say get that off these boards. There are plenty of places online where these views will be welcomed with open arms. I'd point you to them but I like these shoes.

Don't hide your ideas from criticism behind forum rules. You don't believe in human decency so...

Do not wish pain and misery upon good people because they don't share your opinions. Perhaps I'm asking too much. Time may tell. It may not.

That we two cannot stand each other we know since many years, but we must not bother the whole board with it on and on.

That's a curious way of looking at things. The boards can handle a little conflict.

And I certainly have no interest to start trading PMs with you. You can chat with Tribesman. I think his company will suit you well.

What in God's name makes you think I want a PM from you. You said these things on the forum, you get called out on it on the forum. I have no interest in making this less public.

The feeling is mutual regarding a private message. Deletion upon arrival is the policy for people like you.

Tribesman has absolutely nothing to do with this.

I'm sick of your hatred and fascism clogging up a place that I actually like. There are plenty of forums that would love to have you. Go there and say these things. You might find someone who agrees with you, I hate to say it.


Get it off my screen.

Don't ask for the protection of the rules of civilised interaction when you are fundamentally uncivilised. It doesn't suit you and you wouldn't like it.

You start to sound like a 12 year old heading for puberty.

That's classy.

Go. Away.

edit - words in the wrong order.Happens to the best of us.

[nikimcbee]

Time for a commercial break.

[CCIP]

Thocky, I totally sympathise with your frustration, but don't waste your time trying to discredit Skybird, because Skybird isn't going to budge and is completely incorgible. The fortunate thing, of course, is that his obtuseness guarantees that he's not likely to influence anyone likely to be influenced by that sort of thing - and anyone intelligent enough will always be able to see through the textwall tactics.

That said, I find veiling calls for genocide, concentration, institutional discrimination and international war on ideological grounds to be abhorrent and unacceptable and, as I said, I really don't know if I can stay on Subsim much - for all my love for this site, I also (like Tchocky) don't want to be in the same room as people who think saying that kind of thing is fine, let alone right. It's abhorrent, infuriating and dehumanizing.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Time for a commercial break.

Finland is awesome.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Thocky, I totally sympathise with your frustration, but don't waste your time trying to discredit Skybird, because Skybird isn't going to budge and is completely incorgible. The fortunate thing, of course, is that his obtuseness guarantees that he's not likely to influence anyone likely to be influenced by that sort of thing - and anyone intelligent enough will always be able to see through the textwall tactics.

That said, I find veiling calls for genocide, concentration, institutional discrimination and international war on ideological grounds to be abhorrent and unacceptable and, as I said, I really don't know if I can stay on Subsim much - for all my love for this site, I also (like Tchocky) don't want to be in the same room as people who think saying that kind of thing is fine, let alone right. It's abhorrent, infuriating and dehumanizing.

I think your anger here is in my humble opinion projected upon the wrong people.

Just in case you didnt know there are well funded organizations and individuals out there right now, who have on a daily basis actually carried out those things you stated as being abhorrent unacceptable to you. They have instilled fear and terror upon the world.

Just in the last few days they have murdered two thousand, gunning down elderly men, women because they couldn't flee fast enough, kidnapped young girls and boys and murdered the innocent because of a cartoon. These animals have murdered my true neighbor and allies, commited genocide, instigated regional warfare, kidnapped, destroyed villages. Disfigured others, cut off hands and heads, and tortured men and women for simply speaking words against their precious religion.

While you direct your anger at someone who has simply spoke his mind and pointed out the obvious.

What you read here simply various opinions and thoughts about a certain evil in this world most likely stemming from our anger, frustration and helplessness as we watch innocent people die.

Don't let the door hit you in the hindend on the way out.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Don't let the door hit you in the hindend on the way out.

I think your post was quite good right up until that last sentiment. You are also addressing a member who did nothing more than voice his own opinion. I agree with your opinion more than his in this case, but there is still no reason for that kind of comment.

[CCIP]

And that right there is the problem, the insistence on dividing everything into "us and them", the "good guys vs. bad guys", "black and white". I have no sympathy and a lot of anger at the terrorists. I despise those who support them and argue for them, and I have a lot of ideological concerns, even with their religion. But you can't start dehumanizing and you can't rely on emotional language and bright examples to make arguments that boil down to, well, what do they boil down to? All I've done is extended the logical conclusion of "othering" arguments and their sociopolitical implications. At the very least, those need to be addressed. And when they're stated out in the open, I think I rightly abhor them.

I'm not opposed to hunting down and neutralizing actual terrorists, and I applaud the French police for doing so. I'm all for critically questioning and satirically testing religion and everything else. I unequivocally support actual victims of terrorism, and believe me, I've more than enough personal experience with them.

There's a million logical and rhetorical fallacies in this argument, but the most prominent one is the one that I brought up a couple of days back in the "Stockhold Syndrome" thread - the fallacious and unfair claim to victimization and persecution. What gives with the siege mentality? Why are you speaking on behalf of the victims - real, imagined, or projected? A lot of this is vain, detached from reality, and politically exploitable to some very deplorable ends. At least earlier, someone was kind enough to explicitly state them.

Again: I'm not defending terrorists and extremists and they can go to whatever version of hell their beliefs dictate. What I don't want to live in is a society with an "us vs. them" mentality that starts painting people in broad [whatever]-phobic strokes.

And yes, to echo Steve, to say that to a member with nearly 10k posts and a history of being at least reasonable is a bit unfair and upsetting. I don't want to leave Subsim and I care a lot about the site and the community. I just really deplore what's being said here, and have every right to do so.