Terrorist attack in Paris on French magazine

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

My problem with that is that it happens every day. Al Kaida, Boko Haram, Al Nusra, Al Shabab, Hamas, IS, ...the list seems endless. Almost every day we hear about another extremist atrocity commited in the name of Allah and then the the standard appeasement phrase that that has nothing to do with Islam. I don't buy it anymore it happens too often for that and it's always the same religion that's supposed to be the scape goat.
Maybe if we see a demonstration of 15.000 Muslims in Paris against those extremists I get some hope again.

How about 12,000?
http://www.dawn.com/news/661434/uk-m...inst-extremism

Or the Imams of 2000 Mosques?
http://www.thelocal.de/20140919/germ...inst-extremism


Let me put it to you this way, if two Muslims had firebombed a church in the US (with no casualties), I'd imagine that a thread would have been made about it already.
Yet earlier today, two white Neo-Nazis firebombed the Colorado Springs outpost of NAACP, and there is nary a whisper.

Still, if you guys want to believe that all Muslims are extremists, exactly as the extremists want you to, then I guess I can't change your minds, just as I wouldn't be able to change the minds of the men who committed this act of terrorism today.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Still, if you guys want to believe that all Muslims are extremists, exactly as the extremists want you to, then I guess I can't change your minds, just as I wouldn't be able to change the minds of the men who committed this act of terrorism today.

I never said that I just say that the problem is rooted in the religion itself and that we should stop sugarcoating that. We should take more steps against radical Islam and make sure that radicals get deported to where they came from (if foreign). If there not foreign then I really don't know what to do with them but we can't just keep our eyes closed denying that there are any problems, they won't go away that way. Well, I don't know if they go away if we do anything either but just sitting around and waiting for the next strike isn't an option anymore in my opinion.

Or in short:
I don't have answers but I think it's time we accept that there is a question.

[Bilge_Rat]

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Or in short:
I don't have answers but I think it's time we accept that there is a question.

Unfortunately, we seem to be...or at least, on GT, unable to ask what that question is without loading it with a tone which contains what we think to be the answer.
Yes, there is a problem, the problem is radical Islam.
Now either you kill 1.8b people, or you work to keep the balance between the number of extremists and the number of non-extremists in the way you want it. That's about the long and the short of it really. It doesn't mean we need to bend to their every whim, but it also doesn't mean that we need to treat them all as guilty until proven innocent.

[mapuc]

I keep asking myself this question

So much surveillance and still we ain't safe.

Do we need more surveillance ? or

Markus

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I keep asking myself this question

So much surveillance and still we ain't safe.

Do we need more surveillance ? or

Markus

No security system is perfect, so one should not dismantle the entire system just because there were a number of instances where it did not work.

A review however would be warranted.

[eddie]

I don't know when this magazine published the cartoon that offended these people, but it might be interesting to find out who ordered a fatwa at the time of this offensive publication, (offensive to the Muslims that is).

This seems like a very professional hit to me, well organized for escape with switching cars and all. Doesn't seem like the work of a few locals with a grudge to settle.

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I keep asking myself this question

So much surveillance and still we ain't safe.

Do we need more surveillance ? or

Markus

Surveillance isn't really intended to stop crimes from happening but rather aid in identifying the perpetrators afterwards.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by August

Surveillance isn't really intended to stop crimes from happening but rather aid in identifying the perpetrators afterwards.

It does help crime prevention though in the sense that you could crack down on a terrorist cell before they actually blow stuff up.

[eddie]

They have identified the gunman! Good for the police!! I wish them all the best in hunting these cowards down.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...3d5_story.html

[Oberon]

Safety vs Personal Freedoms is...yeah, a hard one, no two ways about it. The road to hell being paved with good intentions and that. Ben Franklin came out with quite a few good quotes, one of them being:

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Still, what they achieved here, aside from further staining the name of Islam (which, whilst they'll never admit it, is truly their aim in order to make non-Muslims discriminate more against Muslims and push them into extremism) is just to make people more determined to keep that freedom of press and speach alive.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by eddie

This seems like a very professional hit to me, well organized for escape with switching cars and all. Doesn't seem like the work of a few locals with a grudge to settle.

It's not who did it, but what the Muslim world will think of how these brazen hit men did them a favor.

They say that Paris itself has whole communities of Muslim that even the French police stay out of. One whole city is 40% Muslim.

They have not blended into the communities well in France, like they have in the USA.

This could cause a division in the liberal policies of France as a nation even to the point of civil strife.

Whoever it is (****) is trying to draw all the Muslim world into their way of thinking.

The real problem is who's next on the hit list?
What if they were backed into a corner?
Will they try something big to go out with a bang
or will they take the easy way out with a peace treaty?

[August]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

It does help crime prevention though in the sense that you could crack down on a terrorist cell before they actually blow stuff up.

How? At the airport that I work at there are several thousand cameras alone. They would need a literal army to monitor all of them 24/7. Now there's a lot that can be done with facial recognition systems and other filtering technology to narrow down what has to be looked at by a human but as far as I can tell it's not quite there yet.

[Skybird]

Anyone interested in Michel Houllebecq's new novel, "Soumission" (Submission)?

It seems to tell the story of the socialists and Muslims in France unifying their attempts to stop the rolling Front National by making a Muslim fundamentalist president of France in 2022, who immediately starts to turn it into an Islamic god-state. Sexual slavery and the oppression of women also play some role.

The perfect book for the day, it seems. It got released in France yesterday- on the same day the terrorists struck.

Up to 90% of Muslim migrants in Germany have voted left in the past couple of elections of the past 20 years.

One word of warning to all socialists sympathising with this idea, though. When Khomenei after his return to Iran with support of the Iranian Communist Party had secured his power, he opened the hunt for the communists and most of them ended up hanging at lightpoles and telephone masts. Could happen to you if you unite with somebody for whom phrases like coexistence and mutual tolerance are foreign vocabularies.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by August

How? At the airport that I work at there are several thousand cameras alone. They would need a literal army to monitor all of them 24/7. Now there's a lot that can be done with facial recognition systems and other filtering technology to narrow down what has to be looked at by a human but as far as I can tell it's not quite there yet.

As far as I know the technical side is there already, but it is not feasable money wise so far (judging from a Russian project of providing 24/7 constant total automatic surveillance in Moscow)