Gun Control thread (merged many)

[Betonov]

August, I am buyin' but you ain't sellin'



CaptainHaplo, at least one American read the entire thing. Perhaps Steve has, he is a moderator. Where do I begin though.

Point #2 now: So Yugoslavia has - in your terms, plenty of artillery and drone fodder. How nice...

First, Yugoslavia doesn't have, Yugoslavia HAD. Yugoslavia ceased to exist in 1991 all but name. Even Serbia dropped that name in 2003 so Yugoslavia HAD plenty of drone fodder and artillery fodder, which was supported by tanks, artillery and jet planes of all shapes and sizes. Because Yugoslavia had a large conscription based standing army with millions in reserve, just like the US had until 1973. But saying the US army was artillery fodder would bring in a tirade from August and you.
And since we are nitpicking, when Yugoslavia still existed, drones were nothing but a novelty on proving grounds. A Yugoslav soldier could not have been drone fodder.

Not sure where you come by that. Assuming you are in fact from Slovenia. According to NationMaster.com, 64.29% of your fellow countrymen believe that crime has increased in the last 3 years. Violent crime in 2014 you are ranked 84th out of 93. The last available murder rates (2010) has you 80th out of 86.

We also believe we will go bankrupt next year. Like we did last year. And in 2012. And in 2011. We're a pessimist nation. With an amateur sensationalist media that sells every pickpocketing like the robbery of the century.
And even if crime did increase, from almost nothing to what, a little above almost nothing ??? And bar brawls are considered a violent crime but there's a difference between watching two drunks fight or being a collateral in a mob shootout.

And when it comes to polls what people believe, as an American, please don't...
http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-american...-orbits-earth/
(I dislike polls, they only show what the poller wants them to show, so if you want to diss my link, it automatically disses your poll)

Because when your home - its not burglary - its a home invasion.

Yeah, and we had one in 10 years. And even then it was personal grievances. And the police/army/parliamentary death squads never invade homes here, like August believes in his EuromeansStalinistcommiepolicestate dreams. They make a polite knock with a warrant. How many incidents we had when the special police force broke down a door on a phone tip ?? None. How about the US ????

So what you are saying is half your town is too irresponsible in their control of their liquor to be safe with firearms - so you don't want them to have guns. Are they somehow too irresponsible for guns - but responsible enough to drive cars - or carry knives? Both are legal but deadly, you know...

Do you actually think that we don't allow drunks weapons but we allow them to drive drunk ???
Cars and knives are legal when you're sober. And half my town is irresponsible enough in control of their liquor but that has nothing to do with the state laws.

How can "packs of criminals" exist if this is the case?

Do criminals in the US carry a sign around their neck saying ''I'm a criminal'' and confront you in front of a cop ?? Or maybe you have a law that forbids people to gather in public in groups more than 3 ?? How oppressive.
People go out in groups, honest or criminals. Packs of criminals don't have signs around their necks, policemen are not allowed to arrest a group of people just because they look suspicious, and the pack never attacks in plain sight. Sometimes you're dumb enough to find yourself in an alley far from any cop and you get mugged. Happens in Switzerland, happens in Somalia.
But as you said:

Violent crime in 2014 you are ranked 84th out of 93. The last available murder rates (2010) has you 80th out of 86.

And then Tribes added

80th is better than 14th.

It means that our police force is sooooooooo much more efficient than your police force, since we're at the bottom of that list and you're at the top.

I am confused - because that is only booty that they get to have for like ... a week or less, right? Because your police always return the stolen goods within that timeframe..

If you don't shot one, you get to the police station with a black eye and you get the wallet back in a week.
If you shoot one and the rest jump you, they will kill you. And you're family get's the wallet back.

What is a "suitable locker"? No such requirement in the US - another significant difference where our liberties differ. Just so you are ... better informed....

A locker a child cannot open and accidentally kills himself. You can keep that liberty, I prefer the life of my child.

When you only can vote for one party - you don't have a free society. Freedom requires CHOICE - therefore you had no free society.

You know that was in Yugoslavia, the state that does no longer exist ??
So it was only a 95% free society. More than enough to live a pleasant, healthy, safe life for you and your family.

Is that before or after you buy into the "the police here are so good they solve every robbery in a week" line????

Can't see the connection but:
We trust the police because the cops actually work with the people and they respond when called. The cop is the help on the street, like the firefighter and paramedic. Not the statesman.

So perhaps you can explain.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e#21st_century

Because unrest in Kosovo is actually a total war like the one in 1939-1945

and

• 2008 Russia–Georgia war

You need a new atlas. You still see Yugoslavia and Georgia as Europe.
(hint, the USSR broke apart and there's only one Germany)

It isn't that you want to play tourist. You do not want to confront the threat of things like global islam. Europe chooses to do little about such threats - even when it bombs and beheads in your own countries.... That isn't playing tourist, that is playing "victim" - and to many in the US - choosing to be a victim makes you look weak.

Not going to war makes us look prudent, smart and civilized. Especially when we choose not to go to war in the name of anti-terorism against a country that had nothing to do with terorism. It's only crime against the US was sitting on an ocean of oil.
And when it comes to Afganistan, where terrorists actually are:


My god, will you look at all those European countries. I can even see Slovenia in there. (hint: Slovenia and Slovakia are two different countries)

2A doesn't require people to own guns - it gives them CHOICE. Remember we already covered that - Choice is integral to a free society...

I know, I have that choice. I choose not to own a gun. Like I said and you ignored: I can own a gun after I register for a license

Good for you. Glad you don't think you need a gun. Hope you can notch an arrow, aim and fire faster than a bad guy with a gun can pull a trigger. Your choice - oh wait - not really, huh. But you are right about one thing - it would be "just one more thing to maintain" for you.

I don't live in the US. I live in a safe AND free country.

When your ready to speak with reason and logic instead of making provably false claims and when your ready to stop contradicting yourself - then MAYBE you will actually be able to have a reasonable discussion on the matter.

One Englishman (wikipedia on two legs), one Finn (levelheaded) and one Irishman (a walking legal library) already agree with me.
If two Americans that are known for their lack of knowledge about European geo-political situation and history think I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm not going to loose sleep over it. Like some Americans thinking if there's a SWAT team at their door with a wrong lead.


And remember kids, Atlases should be updated every couple of years. Pre-1991 are seriously out of date.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Come on betonov hit him on the details which are obviously absolute bollox.
There is no shortage.

I have a weight problem, my life won't last that long.

But his latest episode does raise another issue.
He maintains that you are oppressed and not free because you have firearm regulations infringing on your liberty, whereas he is free and has an amendment saying he shall have no infringements.
Since America as a nation has so many more regulations covering firearms than your country does in spite of his bit of paper doesn't that suggest that by his measure of liberty he is far more oppressed and constrained under tyranny than you are?

We don't actually have that much regulation. It's license yes, no license no. Just like with a car.

[Betonov]

So you're telling me

I've been defending a country with gun regulations against a country with gun regulations

[Rockstar]

Lets get this over with, everyone rally around their talking points shall we?

A) If only France had stricter gun regulations.

B) If only everyone in France had an Ak47 and a rocket launcher.


fixed

[Oberon]

What about a rock and roll launcher?

[ikalugin]

This thread amuses me.

Good posting Betonov.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Betonov

One Englishman (wikipedia on two legs), one Finn (levelheaded) and one Irishman (a walking legal library) already agree with me.

Who are you calling levelheaded?!

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Who are you calling levelheaded?!

Seriously: you're a bit above average when keeping it cool and not let your emotions type your response.

Not seriously: I think I was referring to your forehead

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Seriously: you're a bit above average when keeping it cool and not let your emotions type your response.

Not seriously: I think I was referring to your forehead

There might be a few who would disagree with that, but I'll take it.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Dowly

There might be a few who would disagree with that, but I'll take it.

Some would disagree that I don't come from Slovakia so you're off easy

[Rockstar]

Where I come from he would be known as a squarehead.

[Dowly]

[Rockstar]

such a sad look.

It wasnt meant to be offensive and have I never heard it used in a derogatory manner. There is an abundance of Norwegians, Finlanders, Germans, and Swedes that have immigrated to my neck of the woods Minnesota and Wisconson I guess back in the late 1800's and later.

The term stems from the perceived nature of said immigrants brain bucket. . and I mostly heard the term used by other 'square heads'. Only once did I hear it from 'outsider' when after seeing my last name on my Coast Guard uniform he said with a smile "Sorensen eh? you know you square heads make the best sailors" and I must admit we are the best sailors.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

such a sad look.

It wasnt meant to be offensive and have I never heard it used in a derogatory manner. There is an abundance of Norwegians, Finlanders, Germans, and Swedes that have immigrated to my neck of the woods Minnesota and Wisconson I guess back in the late 1800's and later.

The term stems from the perceived nature of said immigrants brain bucket. . and I mostly heard the term used by other 'square heads'. Only once did I hear it from 'outsider' when after seeing my last name on my Coast Guard uniform he said with a smile "Sorensen eh? you know you square heads make the best sailors" and I must admit we are the best sailors.

He's just sad because he has no beer. Your post had nothing to do with it.

[Wolferz]

Crap. My popcorn's all gone.