Gun Control thread (merged many)

[Betonov]

That's it, you're spot on. A soon as I'll buy a gun the democratically elected prime minister.... khm... feudal prince of Slovenia will send a division of armored Cossacks with torches to burn down my non-flammable brick house with a non-flammable concrete roof.
Or maybe send a royal decree to one of his citizens... I mean serfs, my neighbour, hunter, with 5 registered rifles, 2 shotguns and 2 handguns that will lead an army of his stuffed African game animals to revoke my priviliges as a free citizen of an European nation... excuse me, a landed serf to the Empire.
Or maybe the free construction companies that employes payed citizens.... damn... slavery based siege machine construction guilds will make a huuuuuge trebuchet in the parliament... ups... castle Ljubljana and bombard my house... scratch that... mud hut.

[Betonov]

I hope that ''Merkins'' is a typo, because it was hilarious when I googled it.

And I'm not mocking. The Swiss guard visited me today and confiscated my bow because the house Cerar, current rulers of Slovenia were afraid of an another uprising. Those pikes destroyed my ceiling.

[Aktungbby]

Oh! now you've done it! draggged perfectly good Minnesota pikes into it! Although one looked like a Muskie... I'll sent the Landsknecht doppelgangers to deal with those Swiss. Those Katgutters know how to turn'm into cheese.Michigan? muskie http://www.luckylures.nl/esox_muskellunge_record.php

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

We need a well armed milita, like these people with pikes.

I gotta give you a cookie for that.

[August]

Originally Posted by Betonov

That's it, you're spot on. A soon as I'll buy a gun the democratically elected prime minister.... khm... feudal prince of Slovenia will send a division of armored Cossacks with torches to burn down my non-flammable brick house with a non-flammable concrete roof.
Or maybe send a royal decree to one of his citizens... I mean serfs, my neighbour, hunter, with 5 registered rifles, 2 shotguns and 2 handguns that will lead an army of his stuffed African game animals to revoke my priviliges as a free citizen of an European nation... excuse me, a landed serf to the Empire.
Or maybe the free construction companies that employes payed citizens.... damn... slavery based siege machine construction guilds will make a huuuuuge trebuchet in the parliament... ups... castle Ljubljana and bombard my house... scratch that... mud hut.

You misunderstood. When you're done mocking look me up and i'll explain.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

I gotta give you a cookie for that.

there are other kinds of 'cookies'

[Rockstar]

[Oberon]

Speaking of the Swiss:

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by August

You misunderstood. When you're done mocking look me up and i'll explain.

OK, I'll buy. Explain away and I promise I won't mock you back.

But first, take into account that our culture simply does not give a thought about guns. We consider them a non issue. One more thing to maintain.

So let's make some points:

-Hunting: European wildlife was hunted 3/4 to extinction and we had 2000 years to do it. Not to mention that we have twice as many people living on a landmass about the same size as the USA and a lot of forrests were cut down to house and feed that population. Therefore, hunting is severely limited and for a good reason. Only if you're a hunter in a ''hunting family'' you're allowed to own a hunting rifle and a hunting licence and even then you're only allowed to shoot a deer or two in a year. Plus, venison is readily available from said families so there's really no need for us to own hunting weapons.

-Defense: Today we have large conscript armies and modern profesional forces (depends on the country) and NATO. Small militias are really artillery and drone fodder.
But when it comes to militia, Yugoslavia had what is really called a well regulated citizen militia. Every citizen was trained to fight and had to attend regular exercises. Weapons were in hidden caches, locations known only to certain individual, JNA (Yugoslav national army) and as soon as the area was overrun people would receive weapons and went to the hills to treat the new enemy as the Germans were treated. The other republics not yet overwhelmed would then mobilise with the 5 million conscripts in reserves and the enemy would soon find himself attacked from the front and the rear.

-Personal defense: crime rate is lower than it has ever been. Burglaries are always when one is away, pickpocketing is something you can't really do anything about it even with a bazooka, we have a competent police force that even if you are robbed at gunpoint, you'll have everything back within a week. Plus most of us believe that the last thing we need is every third person on the street carrying a gun. Especially after happy hour when half the town is drunk. Oh, and all the criminals here work in packs and they will surround you. Shoot one and the two behind you will jump you and then it's game over. Pulling out a gun only means that they'll come home with more booty.

-Fun: €50 is a yearly fee in a shooting shooting gallery, you receive a gun there, maintained and clean. You don't really need a license, you just have to be over 18 or with parents.

-Laws: I can own a gun. I just send the application to the state and receive the license after they check my background and if I have a suitable locker. I just don't feel the need.

-Regime: Slovenia is a western parliamentary democracy. We have the same liberties as you do. Exactly the same liberties. The protest from 2 years ago were not drowned in blood when the police armed with AK-74 started moving down the civilians. No. The police just made a circle around the important buildings and the people were allowed to protest. The water canon was brought in to cool down some vandals abusing the protests for looting and the cops were even cheered by the crowd after they went after the said looters. And the protests worked, the corrupt rulling party was forced to step down and an early election was called.

-History: Yugoslavia was not a semi-Stalinist communist death camp state. It was free society with some limitations and a one party election. But on a personal level people were free to work and thrive and the state provided. People worked, payed taxes, went to Croatia in the summer and to the Alps in the winter. My parents worked half as much to provide for the entire family than today when they only have to provide for themselves.
Austria-Hungary was conservative as an empire can be. On a local level though, the people enjoyed a high level of freedom. They were no longer serfs. They weren't serfs since the 16th century. They were citizens to an empire and subjects to an emperor that didn't really have an interest in oppressing everyone. And that was an empire that was the most conservative right after Russia. I'm not going to even mention pre-WW1 Germany and their reforms we can only hope for today.
Before 16th century, well, that's not relevant. The USA hadn't existed yet. I just know that we weren't allowed guns and no one really had much use for guns. People with guns came by in their thousands every few years and they left a barren land anyway.

-European peasant uprisings: peasants armed with scythes held against feudal armies. But the peasantry was allowed to own scythes after a rebellion and we're still allowed to own scythes today. And axes, and saws, hay forks, shovels and those hooks on a stick we still use to shake apple tree branches. The lords never just burned down a village just because someone owned a gun. Peasants were their income source. And they were also more interested in fighting each other to even enforce laws on the peasantry. If a village owned a cannon, nothing would have been done about it.

-Propaganda: we're not brain washed by the state to think we're not oppressed. Quite opposite. We're all so cynical that we don't even believe the state when they're telling the truth. Sheeples are plentiful but ignored and even shunned from the public life. Guns are never an issue. If someone would want to run on a platform to allow guns for everyone, he'd loose because no one gives a damn.

-Europeans weak: you wish. We've been slaughtering each other long enough for war to be imprinted in our DNA. We're just collectively tired and we prefer to play tourists. Something you can't do in a war zone.

And I have already said: you can keep your 2nd amendment, I don't want it, my life won't be better or worse with a gun in my room. I already have a bayonet, a machete, 3 swiss pocket knives, one santoku knife, a small butcher knife set, a bow with 5 carbon arrows, 2 airguns, one airsoft G-36 replica, and a kilogram of home made amonium nitrate.

Originally Posted by Betonov

 

OK, I'll buy. Explain away and I promise I won't mock you back.

But first, take into account that our culture simply does not give a thought about guns. We consider them a non issue. One more thing to maintain.

So let's make some points:

-Hunting: European wildlife was hunted 3/4 to extinction and we had 2000 years to do it. Not to mention that we have twice as many people living on a landmass about the same size as the USA and a lot of forrests were cut down to house and feed that population. Therefore, hunting is severely limited and for a good reason. Only if you're a hunter in a ''hunting family'' you're allowed to own a hunting rifle and a hunting licence and even then you're only allowed to shoot a deer or two in a year. Plus, venison is readily available from said families so there's really no need for us to own hunting weapons.

-Defense: Today we have large conscript armies and modern profesional forces (depends on the country) and NATO. Small militias are really artillery and drone fodder.
But when it comes to militia, Yugoslavia had what is really called a well regulated citizen militia. Every citizen was trained to fight and had to attend regular exercises. Weapons were in hidden caches, locations known only to certain individual, JNA (Yugoslav national army) and as soon as the area was overrun people would receive weapons and went to the hills to treat the new enemy as the Germans were treated. The other republics not yet overwhelmed would then mobilise with the 5 million conscripts in reserves and the enemy would soon find himself attacked from the front and the rear.

-Personal defense: crime rate is lower than it has ever been. Burglaries are always when one is away, pickpocketing is something you can't really do anything about it even with a bazooka, we have a competent police force that even if you are robbed at gunpoint, you'll have everything back within a week. Plus most of us believe that the last thing we need is every third person on the street carrying a gun. Especially after happy hour when half the town is drunk. Oh, and all the criminals here work in packs and they will surround you. Shoot one and the two behind you will jump you and then it's game over. Pulling out a gun only means that they'll come home with more booty.

-Fun: €50 is a yearly fee in a shooting shooting gallery, you receive a gun there, maintained and clean. You don't really need a license, you just have to be over 18 or with parents.

-Laws: I can own a gun. I just send the application to the state and receive the license after they check my background and if I have a suitable locker. I just don't feel the need.

-Regime: Slovenia is a western parliamentary democracy. We have the same liberties as you do. Exactly the same liberties. The protest from 2 years ago were not drowned in blood when the police armed with AK-74 started moving down the civilians. No. The police just made a circle around the important buildings and the people were allowed to protest. The water canon was brought in to cool down some vandals abusing the protests for looting and the cops were even cheered by the crowd after they went after the said looters. And the protests worked, the corrupt rulling party was forced to step down and an early election was called.

-History: Yugoslavia was not a semi-Stalinist communist death camp state. It was free society with some limitations and a one party election. But on a personal level people were free to work and thrive and the state provided. People worked, payed taxes, went to Croatia in the summer and to the Alps in the winter. My parents worked half as much to provide for the entire family than today when they only have to provide for themselves.
Austria-Hungary was conservative as an empire can be. On a local level though, the people enjoyed a high level of freedom. They were no longer serfs. They weren't serfs since the 16th century. They were citizens to an empire and subjects to an emperor that didn't really have an interest in oppressing everyone. And that was an empire that was the most conservative right after Russia. I'm not going to even mention pre-WW1 Germany and their reforms we can only hope for today.
Before 16th century, well, that's not relevant. The USA hadn't existed yet. I just know that we weren't allowed guns and no one really had much use for guns. People with guns came by in their thousands every few years and they left a barren land anyway.

-European peasant uprisings: peasants armed with scythes held against feudal armies. But the peasantry was allowed to own scythes after a rebellion and we're still allowed to own scythes today. And axes, and saws, hay forks, shovels and those hooks on a stick we still use to shake apple tree branches. The lords never just burned down a village just because someone owned a gun. Peasants were their income source. And they were also more interested in fighting each other to even enforce laws on the peasantry. If a village owned a cannon, nothing would have been done about it.

-Propaganda: we're not brain washed by the state to think we're not oppressed. Quite opposite. We're all so cynical that we don't even believe the state when they're telling the truth. Sheeples are plentiful but ignored and even shunned from the public life. Guns are never an issue. If someone would want to run on a platform to allow guns for everyone, he'd loose because no one gives a damn.

-Europeans weak: you wish. We've been slaughtering each other long enough for war to be imprinted in our DNA. We're just collectively tired and we prefer to play tourists. Something you can't do in a war zone.

And I have already said: you can keep your 2nd amendment, I don't want it, my life won't be better or worse with a gun in my room. I already have a bayonet, a machete, 3 swiss pocket knives, one santoku knife, a small butcher knife set, a bow with 5 carbon arrows, 2 airguns, one airsoft G-36 replica, and a kilogram of home made amonium nitrate.

Quite soon for the post of the year but... damn!

[Dowly]

[Oberon]

I think that about sums it up really.

By the way Betonov, the SIS called, they'll be around in the morning about that ammonium nitrate...

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Oberon

By the way Betonov, the SIS called, they'll be around in the morning about that ammonium nitrate...

That's why we need to start that minecraft server, so I can tell them I use it for rare earth extraction

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Betonov

That's why we need to start that minecraft server, so I can tell them I use it for rare earth extraction

Reminds me of Jeremy Clarksons idea of ploughing...with dynamite.

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Oberon

By the way Betonov, the SIS called, they'll be around in the morning about that stuff...

I was thinking the same thing but I'd probably trip DHS watched words list!