Gun Control thread (merged many)

[August]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Or in short, those weapons aren't very handy and aren't up to date so no one wants to use them.

Yeah the general public just said "nah forget it". It had absolutely nothing to do with the efforts of Europes historical leaders to keep the peasantry as disarmed as possible.

Reminds me of a quote from Braveheart (always the acme of authority in these discussions)

William: You dropped your rock.
Hamish: It's a test of manhood.
William: You win.
Hamish: Call it a test of soldiery then. The English won't let us train with weapons, so we train with stones.
William: Well, a test of a soldier is not in his arm, it's here [points to his head].
Hamish: No, it's here [points to his fist, then punches William]

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by August

Yeah the general public just said "nah forget it". It had absolutely nothing to do with the efforts of Europes historical leaders to keep the peasantry as disarmed as possible.

Duh, We didn't really need weekend warriors playing revolutions and rebellions every second weekend.
A peasant needs only two tools, the plow and the scythe.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Duh, We didn't really need weekend warriors playing revolutions and rebellions every second weekend.
A peasant needs only two tools, the plow and the scythe.

Thats true no need to train on weekends. Just look at European History it is littered with the stench of war. Peasants either hacking each other to death with farm tools or killing one another with rifles issued by their kings and queens. Such disdain for firearms is probably because europeans just simply equate firearms with war.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Such disdain for firearms is probably because europeans just simply equate firearms with war.

Yep
You are into somthing here…
Firearms is more of a tool to use on enemy, not fellow citizens.
It is sort of taboo rooted in the legislation.

[August]

Originally Posted by MH

Yep
You are into somthing here…
Firearms is more of a tool to use on enemy, not fellow citizens.
It is sort of taboo rooted in the legislation.

I think it's more a taboo rooted in the instinctual European fear that the local prince will send a swarm of Cossacks to cut down any potentially troublesome peasant and raze his village. Not only have we Americans not had as much experience living under that kind of regime but we're mostly all the descendents of those who chose to brave the wilds of the New World than continue to live at some nobles leave. Adventurers, Troublemakers, Gutter Sweepings, Wretched Refuse, that's us to a tee. European potentates were glad to get rid of us.

That probably goes a long way to explaining our like of firearms as anything else.

[Betonov]

That's it, you're spot on. A soon as I'll buy a gun the democratically elected prime minister.... khm... feudal prince of Slovenia will send a division of armored Cossacks with torches to burn down my non-flammable brick house with a non-flammable concrete roof.
Or maybe send a royal decree to one of his citizens... I mean serfs, my neighbour, hunter, with 5 registered rifles, 2 shotguns and 2 handguns that will lead an army of his stuffed African game animals to revoke my priviliges as a free citizen of an European nation... excuse me, a landed serf to the Empire.
Or maybe the free construction companies that employes payed citizens.... damn... slavery based siege machine construction guilds will make a huuuuuge trebuchet in the parliament... ups... castle Ljubljana and bombard my house... scratch that... mud hut.

[Betonov]

I hope that ''Merkins'' is a typo, because it was hilarious when I googled it.

And I'm not mocking. The Swiss guard visited me today and confiscated my bow because the house Cerar, current rulers of Slovenia were afraid of an another uprising. Those pikes destroyed my ceiling.

[August]

Originally Posted by Betonov

That's it, you're spot on. A soon as I'll buy a gun the democratically elected prime minister.... khm... feudal prince of Slovenia will send a division of armored Cossacks with torches to burn down my non-flammable brick house with a non-flammable concrete roof.
Or maybe send a royal decree to one of his citizens... I mean serfs, my neighbour, hunter, with 5 registered rifles, 2 shotguns and 2 handguns that will lead an army of his stuffed African game animals to revoke my priviliges as a free citizen of an European nation... excuse me, a landed serf to the Empire.
Or maybe the free construction companies that employes payed citizens.... damn... slavery based siege machine construction guilds will make a huuuuuge trebuchet in the parliament... ups... castle Ljubljana and bombard my house... scratch that... mud hut.

You misunderstood. When you're done mocking look me up and i'll explain.