Gun Control thread (merged many)

[MH]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

People who do not take the responsibility of a firearm seriously - or are not confident in their ability to carry/use a firearm - often make choices like carrying unloaded - thinking its "safer". That leads them to assume that the firearm they carry is "safe" until they make it otherwise - which leads to the "its ok, its safe" attitude and thus - accidents with firearms.

Slogans...

Actually I don't really know what you talking about...
I can say though that there was a time when howling gun was second nature to me so maybe I lack this certain attitude but not the respect toward guns or insecurity.

Only the most natural skilled shooters have such ability, you and I don't have it....and none would use it in a life and death situation...

It is not so difficult. when it comes to shooting center of mass....if you don't have the skill you probably would not do much better with your preferred method.


I own no gun now though and that's fine....

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by MH

Slogans...

Actually I don't really know what you talking about...
I can say though that there was a time when howling gun was second nature to me so maybe I lack this certain attitude but not the respect toward guns or insecurity.

If you choose to treat firearms as if they unloaded or in a casual manner - then you do lack a certain attitude - one that would qualify you as responsible with a firearm.

I am not sure what "howling gun" is or how it somehow qualifies you to speak on gun safety - but you admitted you are not expert. I linked you to one (of MANY) that gave examples of why your position was wrong. Argue all you like - the fact remains that your arguing with experts that say your wrong.

It is not so difficult. when it comes to shooting center of mass....if you don't have the skill you probably would not do much better with your preferred method.

Most people don't have the skill - which is why ownership and especially carrying a firearm comes with the responsibility to train with it - to know it and be able to operate it effectively and safely at any time. This is why most states have both a "book" and range proficiency requirement for concealed carry permits.

I own no gun now though and that's fine....

Yes it is - and actually is a bit of a relief.

To any and all other readers of this thread - take note of something. Do you find it most interesting that the people who are arguing against what the experts say is the safest way to treat firearms are the ones who don't actually own any guns? Quite ironic, isn't it?

Not only do civilian gun experts say carrying loaded is safest, but guess how your local police and sheriff deputies carry..... That's right - one ready to fly in an emergency. All the people YOU rely on to know how to use a gun safely - carry it the same way the civilian experts recommend. So if there is a question in your mind - go out to a range and learn, get trained on a firearm (even if you don't want to own one) and understand how seriously the vast majority of the "gun nuts" take safety and responsibility. You might find that we are nuts - about safety!

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

To any and all other readers of this thread - take note of something. Do you find it most interesting that the people who are arguing against what the experts say is the safest way to treat firearms are the ones who don't actually own any guns? Quite ironic, isn't it?

Yes actually it is.

think i will hop on over to the horse racing forum and give some of the Jocky's expert advice. I mean i have never raced horses... but you just ride em right?


maybe all these guys stayed at a holiday inn last night

EDIT:

part of the problem with the majority of anti-gun folks - they have an irrational fear that they will argue about perpetually in an attempt to rationalize it.

[MH]

To any and all other readers of this thread - take note of something. Do you find it most interesting that the people who are arguing against what the experts say is the safest way to treat firearms are the ones who don't actually own any guns? Quite ironic, isn't it?

lol yeah.

[August]

Well I have been carrying for a long time and I still feel better with an empty chamber. If that makes me a bit slower to a fight then so be it.

[MH]

Originally Posted by August

Well I have been carrying for a long time and I still feel better with an empty chamber. If that makes me a bit slower to a fight then so be it.

You just might not get stabbed then....

[August]

Nice thing about the 1911 is that it makes a pretty good club in a pinch.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by August

Nice thing about the 1911 is that it makes a pretty good club in a pinch.

I love those 1911's

I have one that was handed down from my grandfather he purchased Surplus way back when.

It has the "United States Army" stamp and a manufacture date of 1911... and it is in tip top condition

i like the look of the Colt Defender and the Crimson Ultra Carry II

[GoldenRivet]

certainly your right to decide.

carrying empty, carrying chambered, not carrying at all.

2 of the 3 options will send an immediate cease and desists order to a rapist or burglar

you're light years ahead of someone who doesnt carry

[GoldenRivet]

bottom line is... for every one of these stories where someone dies in a concealed carry related accident. i can post ten stories about lives that were saved by concealed carry

[MH]

No one shoots this way, except trick shooters and I know several of them. None would use this method except in performing in setup site. Even they, skilled, are honest enough to admit they would face some nervousness and the fact is, in life or death, you don't trick shoot...Seals don't do it, Swat, nor anyone else. The fact you admit you would proves you don't have the skill....really, it's laughable.....

Nonsense.
SEALS don't do it when riding OBL house or similar...agreed.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by MH

Nonsense.
SEALS don't do it when riding OBL house or similar...agreed.

We have a air gun thread that is very popular...My suggestion is for you to go there......worse case, you might put someone's eye out.....

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by August

Well I have been carrying for a long time and I still feel better with an empty chamber. If that makes me a bit slower to a fight then so be it.

The key here is YOU feel comfortable. You understand the risks, you make a calculated decision based on that and what works for you. That I don't think anyone would disrespect. I sure won't. I know lots of people who carry, both OC and CC, and going with or without one chambered is a matter of personal choice.

But anyone making that personal choice needs to do so informed. Your last sentence says you accept that your choice may come with a cost in time should you need to use your firearm. You recognize that and have made your choice. I totally respect that.

The difference is you are making a personal choice about how you will protect yourself. I would still bet that when you are carrying a firearm, you still TREAT it like it's loaded. Correct me if I am wrong.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by MH

Slogans...





It is not so difficult. when it comes to shooting center of mass....if you don't have the skill you probably would not do much better with your preferred method.


I own no gun now though and that's fine....

No one shoots this way, except trick shooters and I know several of them. None would use this method except in performing in setup site. Even they, skilled, are honest enough to admit they would face some nervousness and the fact is, in life or death, you don't trick shoot...Seals don't do it, Swat, nor anyone else. The fact you admit you would proves you don't have the skill....really, it's laughable.....