Deadly accurate enemy aircraft attacks.........

suitednate · 12-24-14, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TorpX

I've had two careers terminated in this way; so you are not alone.

After the second time, and other close calls, I made alterations to the files in my game (via a mini-mod), and have used it.

CapnScurvy showed how to fix the issue in this post:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=183764

I haven't played very much since, but last time I had aircraft fly by, I was able to stay at p/d without being attacked. It took some time to get to this point, as I was strongly inclined to crash dive at the mere mention of aircraft.

Thank you very much!! I will check it out!!

BigWalleye · 12-24-14, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by suitednate

Thank you very much!! I will check it out!!

Submarines at PD are often pretty easy to spot from the air in the clear waters of the Pacific. There's a pic soemwhere online of an LA class at PD - not hard to see at all. So if you are playing historically, PD shouldn't be considered safe under good visibility in the PTO. Doing so is a gamble.

Merry Christmas.

suitednate · 12-24-14, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigWalleye

Submarines at PD are often pretty easy to spot from the air in the clear waters of the Pacific. There's a pic soemwhere online of an LA class at PD - not hard to see at all. So if you are playing historically, PD shouldn't be considered safe under good visibility in the PTO. Doing so is a gamble.

Merry Christmas.

Agreed, I knew that about PD but I was at 150 ft or so.

merc4ulfate · 12-24-14, 05:41 PM

If you were spotted from a distance before you dove it will not make a difference ... they will strafe and depth charge you where they feel you may be.

TorpX · 12-25-14, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BigWalleye

Submarines at PD are often pretty easy to spot from the air in the clear waters of the Pacific. There's a pic soemwhere online of an LA class at PD - not hard to see at all.

While it was certainly possible to spot a submerged submarine from the air, under favorable conditions, I don't think it was particularly likely. I remember Fluckey had a situation, where he was at p/d near a port/base, and a small aircraft flew over them at low altitude, and they were not spotted. I believe most skippers considered themselves reasonably safe at 90 ft.

suitednate · 12-29-14, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TorpX

While it was certainly possible to spot a submerged submarine from the air, under favorable conditions, I don't think it was particularly likely. I remember Fluckey had a situation, where he was at p/d near a port/base, and a small aircraft flew over them at low altitude, and they were not spotted. I believe most skippers considered themselves reasonably safe at 90 ft.

I checked out that thread u mentioned and made the modifications but the same scenario still played out again. Dove and he wasn't even coming for me this time but then after a little while at 150 ft at 32x TC all of a sudden I get damage all over from a DC attack and sunk. Heavier seas too.

BigWalleye · 12-29-14, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by suitednate

I checked out that thread u mentioned and made the modifications but the same scenario still played out again. Dove and he wasn't even coming for me this time but then after a little while at 150 ft at 32x TC all of a sudden I get damage all over from a DC attack and sunk. Heavier seas too.

TC=32 means that one minute of game time takes less than 2 seconds of real time. And in 10 seconds of real time, more than 5 minutes of game time have elapsed. How many passes could the plane make in 5 minutes? And how many depth charges could he drop? IMO, TC=32 is dangerously high in that situation. YMMV.

suitednate · 12-29-14, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CapnScurvy

I had a hunch that RFB 2.0 had done some "tweaking" with the planes visuals and I'm right. LukeFF let the issue of planes "seeing" through water really get out of hand with this one. For my curiosity I followed up on what, if anything, RFB 2.0 may have done. Here's what I found.

This entry sets the "size" of an object seen by the sensor its linked to. In this case the Air2_Visual is what the RFB planes use. This -75.0 wouldn't mean anything unless you have a base number to compare it to. The stock parameter for this entry is 0.0. So, RFB 2.0 decided to make the size of an object seen really small. Which means it will see objects much easier than an 0.0 set entry.

Let's look at TMO 2.0 which has a known effect of having it's sub "seen" under water.

TMO 2.0 has this parameter set at only -2.2. Quite a difference from the -75.0 RFB entry. I suspect because of the chatter from TMO players this issue was changed with the TMO 2.1 patch. Here's the entry for it.

The entry is set back to stock again. So it looks like Duci heard some of your thoughts about having the sub seen through the water and did something about it. Good for him!

Now if he would only do something about the Hiryu having a 20 meter mast height?!

It seems as though there are more "air sensor" parameters for RFB than in stock or TMO. Do I switch all of them? Or just one? There's AirB, AirS, and Air2. Anyone know what the difference is?

Hambone307 · 12-30-14, 07:32 PM

Interesting about the change in the spotting code.
I lost 3 of my boats to "lucky" DC runs from planes. First one was in an S-Boat. I blame my watch crew for that SNAFU. Didn't spot the plane until he was about 8,000 ft away. Needless to say that I was hit with two charges before my conning tower was under.

The other two boats I lost were Porpoise class, and I could have sworn that there was an issue with my mod soup since I had been nailed with both of the charges at approx. 170ft.

The S-Boat incident was a sobering lesson to a skipper just out of submarine school!

TorpX · 12-31-14, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by suitednate

It seems as though there are more "air sensor" parameters for RFB than in stock or TMO. Do I switch all of them? Or just one? There's AirB, AirS, and Air2. Anyone know what the difference is?

I couldn't remember what values I changed for my game, so checking the file, I saw I only changed the one shown. Thinking about it, I decided to change all the Air sensors as to 0. I assume that they are associated with different models of aircraft, but don't really know. Maybe someone around here can say for sure.

12-24-14, 05:41 PM	#4
merc4ulfate DILLIGAF Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: florida Posts: 2,058 Downloads: 210 Uploads: 0	If you were spotted from a distance before you dove it will not make a difference ... they will strafe and depth charge you where they feel you may be. __________________ Self-education is, I firmly believe, the only kind of education there is. ~Isaac Asimov~ Mercfulfate 将補日本帝國海軍

12-30-14, 07:32 PM	#9
Hambone307 Planesman Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 188 Downloads: 93 Uploads: 0	Interesting about the change in the spotting code. I lost 3 of my boats to "lucky" DC runs from planes. First one was in an S-Boat. I blame my watch crew for that SNAFU. Didn't spot the plane until he was about 8,000 ft away. Needless to say that I was hit with two charges before my conning tower was under. The other two boats I lost were Porpoise class, and I could have sworn that there was an issue with my mod soup since I had been nailed with both of the charges at approx. 170ft. The S-Boat incident was a sobering lesson to a skipper just out of submarine school! __________________ ____ I can't tell if I have found a rope or lost my horse.