The Government You Deserve?

Onkel Neal · 12-16-14, 02:43 PM

In a functional democracy, people do get the government they deserve. How could it be otherwise? They selected the government.

Wolferz · 12-16-14, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

In a functional democracy, people do get the government they deserve. How could it be otherwise? They selected the government.

It's a good thing that we are a Democratic Republic, yes?

Eichhörnchen · 12-16-14, 03:22 PM

In a functional democracy, sure. But I mean in all circumstances, all countries.

ExFishermanBob · 12-16-14, 03:23 PM

I think a quick review of voting systems might make you reflect on 'deserve' and democracy...and if we vote for them, surely they should be the servants, not the government.

Eichhörnchen · 12-16-14, 03:32 PM

In a democracy I'm sure we all are agreed that the Government of the day are our servants. But by "government" in this question, I mean the word as used in the sense of "regime". I guess I should've been more precise there...

Oberon · 12-16-14, 03:48 PM

That's a tricky one...in the theory, as Neal has already said, then yeah, we do...but there's so much money from large corporations and rich people entering the system and distorting it that the people at the top no longer understand the people at the bottom.
If this was not the case there would not be a rising popularity with fringe parties such as UKIP and the Tea Party.

BossMark · 12-16-14, 03:52 PM

The government you\we deserve

Do we deserve our government-no bloody way

Did we vote for our government-also no bloody way

Over to you STEED.........

Eichhörnchen · 12-16-14, 04:00 PM

I maybe should've seen that coming! Someone also once said "It doesn't matter who you vote for, the bloody Government still gets in..."

Platapus · 12-16-14, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Eichhornchen

In a democracy I'm sure we all are agreed that the Government of the day are our servants. But by "government" in this question, I mean the word as used in the sense of "regime". I guess I should've been more precise there...

Except in a representative government where the people empower their elected representatives to make decisions on their behalf.

We simply can't have a discussion about government without bringing in some dead guys. Dead guys always seem to know more than living guys.

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Certainly, gentlemen, it ought to be the happiness and glory of a representative to live in the strictest union, the closest correspondence, and the most unreserved communication with his constituents.

Their wishes ought to have great weight with him; their opinion, high respect; their business, unremitted attention. It is his duty to sacrifice his repose, his pleasures, his satisfactions, to theirs; and above all, ever, and in all cases, to prefer their interest to his own.

But his unbiassed opinion, his mature judgment, his enlightened conscience, he ought not to sacrifice to you, to any man, or to any set of men living. These he does not derive from your pleasure; no, nor from the law and the constitution. They are a trust from Providence, for the abuse of which he is deeply answerable.

Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.

Eddie Burke said that.

Eichhörnchen · 12-16-14, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Eddie Burke said that.

Eddie Burke sounds like a Top Man: I expected to see the name "Abe Lincoln" after that wonderful quote. But who Eddie Burke? I searched for the name and got (a) a Canadian Ice Hockey player and (b) a hypnotherapist. Please forgive my ignorance, Platapus...

Platapus · 12-16-14, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Eichhornchen

Eddie Burke sounds like a Top Man: I expected to see the name "Abe Lincoln" after that wonderful quote. But who Eddie Burke? I searched for the name and got (a) a Canadian Ice Hockey player and (b) a hypnotherapist. Please forgive my ignorance, Platapus...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Burke

He is also, mistakenly, known for "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"

If you want to read the entire speech where I got my quote go here

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/found.../v1ch13s7.html

mapuc · 12-16-14, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

In a functional democracy, people do get the government they deserve. How could it be otherwise? They selected the government.

Could this be because the people are naive or what.

Before and election the politician say exactly the things the votes want to hear-after the election-the politician seems to have forgot that. And the votes are angry.

Markus

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Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	In a functional democracy, people do get the government they deserve. How could it be otherwise? They selected the government. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

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BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	The government you\we deserve Do we deserve our government-no bloody way Did we vote for our government-also no bloody way Over to you STEED......... __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

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Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 17,418 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	In a functional democracy, sure. But I mean in all circumstances, all countries.

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ExFishermanBob Difficulties Numbing Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: AN19 Posts: 470 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I think a quick review of voting systems might make you reflect on 'deserve' and democracy...and if we vote for them, surely they should be the servants, not the government.

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Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 17,418 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	In a democracy I'm sure we all are agreed that the Government of the day are our servants. But by "government" in this question, I mean the word as used in the sense of "regime". I guess I should've been more precise there...

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	That's a tricky one...in the theory, as Neal has already said, then yeah, we do...but there's so much money from large corporations and rich people entering the system and distorting it that the people at the top no longer understand the people at the bottom. If this was not the case there would not be a rising popularity with fringe parties such as UKIP and the Tea Party.

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Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 17,418 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I maybe should've seen that coming! Someone also once said "It doesn't matter who you vote for, the bloody Government still gets in..."