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Skybird · 12-12-14, 06:52 PM

You seem to be determined to rewrite a bit what is known about modern Western tanks. Well, I stick to what I said. I could refer you to the forums of eSim and have your theories discussed with the guys there. The audience is brimming with former or still active tankers and military members, and several tankers are engaged in the creation of their sim (which is bought by over a dozen Western nations).

I trust their discussions over the past years slightly more than you, sorry.

No personal offence meant. I am juzst not that active over there anymore. Time changed over the years, so did the man.

ikalugin · 12-13-14, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

You seem to be determined to rewrite a bit what is known about modern Western tanks. Well, I stick to what I said. I could refer you to the forums of eSim and have your theories discussed with the guys there. The audience is brimming with former or still active tankers and military members, and several tankers are engaged in the creation of their sim (which is bought by over a dozen Western nations).

I trust their discussions over the past years slightly more than you, sorry.

No personal offence meant. I am juzst not that active over there anymore. Time changed over the years, so did the man.

Why not Tank Net?

In the end discussions between tankers (even the active service or ex service tankers) boil down to the manhood measuring contest between the groups present. In the western forums it tends to be between M1 and Leo2 series fans/users in tanks, in the eastern ones between T72/64/80 series fans/users.

However my point stands - French have a valid tank designing engineering school (as they have a valid aircraft designing school), thus saying that they couldn't contribute to a joint project is just plainly wrong. What happens is that often in the end they protect their own industries, thus joint projects collapse due to the insufficient total work loads.

Skybird · 12-13-14, 06:37 AM

I did not say Nextor has no competence to design tanks. I said it has no knowledge to offer that justifies to give them access to KMW's knowledge pool - only to give the German access to the French customer list, which is extremely short.

The technical summary on the Leclerk that I gave, stands as it is.

The guys from eSim you you extremely underrate. Telling that with 15 years of experience in following their discussions. You have the players behaving like you said, too, yes. But the core group and the group of those creating and contributing to the sim, is a different calliber, and much more objective. That may have somethign to do with that many of them have experiences with multiple platforms, and that the company is kind of an American-German joint team venture, plus supporting contributors from other countries. If they were as partisan as you imply for tank forums' audience, they would not be in business and over a dozen nation'S defence m inistries would wonder why they should buy tens and hundreds of thousands of bucks for their licences.

Obviously there is enough competence that make it appear as a good deal to these ministries.

ikalugin · 12-13-14, 06:54 AM

@skybird
edit - actually screw this, we went far enough in OT anyway.

Skybird · 12-13-14, 03:21 PM

He rules!

This had to be said. Now we can stop it.

[Pic by Rotareneg, eSim Forums]

Jimbuna · 12-14-14, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

He rules!

Didn't someone once say that about the King Tiger?

12-12-14, 06:52 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,736 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	You seem to be determined to rewrite a bit what is known about modern Western tanks. Well, I stick to what I said. I could refer you to the forums of eSim and have your theories discussed with the guys there. The audience is brimming with former or still active tankers and military members, and several tankers are engaged in the creation of their sim (which is bought by over a dozen Western nations). I trust their discussions over the past years slightly more than you, sorry. No personal offence meant. I am juzst not that active over there anymore. Time changed over the years, so did the man. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-13-14, 06:37 AM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,736 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I did not say Nextor has no competence to design tanks. I said it has no knowledge to offer that justifies to give them access to KMW's knowledge pool - only to give the German access to the French customer list, which is extremely short. The technical summary on the Leclerk that I gave, stands as it is. The guys from eSim you you extremely underrate. Telling that with 15 years of experience in following their discussions. You have the players behaving like you said, too, yes. But the core group and the group of those creating and contributing to the sim, is a different calliber, and much more objective. That may have somethign to do with that many of them have experiences with multiple platforms, and that the company is kind of an American-German joint team venture, plus supporting contributors from other countries. If they were as partisan as you imply for tank forums' audience, they would not be in business and over a dozen nation'S defence m inistries would wonder why they should buy tens and hundreds of thousands of bucks for their licences. Obviously there is enough competence that make it appear as a good deal to these ministries. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-13-14, 03:21 PM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,736 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	He rules! This had to be said. Now we can stop it. [Pic by Rotareneg, eSim Forums] __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 12-13-14 at 03:31 PM.

12-13-14, 06:54 AM	#4
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	@skybird edit - actually screw this, we went far enough in OT anyway.