Rand Paul wants war

vienna · 12-03-14, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

2. Practical state of war. Even though Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, AF, et al were not declared wars, to the people who served in those theaters, getting shot and shot at, they were most assuredly in a war. When military forces of a hostile country are trying to kill you, you is in a war.

I do believe the governmentally approved term is "Police Action"...

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CaptainHaplo · 12-03-14, 08:20 PM

Its a political stunt meant to draw attention to the fact that we have been committing acts of war in various parts of the world, but have been unwilling to call it what it is and act like we are at war.

I understand the purpose of it - but the entire effort is undercut by language in the bill itself. You don't limit your options in war - you go all out and use everything you can to win. Defining limits does nothing more than insure you will lose a real war.

Has Obama over-reached using the military. Yes.
To be entirely fair - so did BOTH presidents named Bush.

Jeff-Groves · 12-03-14, 09:28 PM

A proper Bill to introduce would be..
Let's kill them all and let God sort it out!

(Standing by for the eventual spiral into normal GTA name calling and finger pointing.

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Platapus · 12-04-14, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

I do believe the governmentally approved term is "Police Action"...

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We like to use the term OOTW - Operations Other Than War. It sounds oh so much nicer.

I am sure that the people who end up shot/killed/maimed appreciate the difference.

Platapus · 12-04-14, 07:22 PM

If anyone is interested in what happens to our laws if we ever do declare a legal state of war, I can highly recommend the Congressional Research Service report.

http://fpc.state.gov/c41253.htm

Look for the 3/17/11 report.

You will be surprised at how much our laws change during war and not surprised why the congress is reluctant to declare war.

I use the CRS all the time in my job. It is a valuable service and their reports are clearly written and include the necessary background information. They are politically neutral and their research is top notch.

For reasons only known to the government, the Congressional Research Service, which is a division of the Library of Congress, uses the US Department of State website for publishing their reports.

http://fpc.state.gov/c18185.htm

This is a link well worth bookmarking. Pretty much any major issue has a CRS report written about it. It is one of my better sources.

I would love to work for CRS but they can't afford me.

Wolferz · 12-08-14, 01:00 PM

If Rand wants war, then he can carry his arse over there and prosecute it.
ISIS/ISIL is not a recognized sovereign entity, It's a terrorist organization.
Send INTERPOL or The UN.

Oberon · 12-08-14, 02:55 PM

Could be worse, could be the other Paul...

12-03-14, 08:20 PM	#2
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,405 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Its a political stunt meant to draw attention to the fact that we have been committing acts of war in various parts of the world, but have been unwilling to call it what it is and act like we are at war. I understand the purpose of it - but the entire effort is undercut by language in the bill itself. You don't limit your options in war - you go all out and use everything you can to win. Defining limits does nothing more than insure you will lose a real war. Has Obama over-reached using the military. Yes. To be entirely fair - so did BOTH presidents named Bush. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

12-04-14, 07:22 PM	#5
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,437 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	If anyone is interested in what happens to our laws if we ever do declare a legal state of war, I can highly recommend the Congressional Research Service report. http://fpc.state.gov/c41253.htm Look for the 3/17/11 report. You will be surprised at how much our laws change during war and not surprised why the congress is reluctant to declare war. I use the CRS all the time in my job. It is a valuable service and their reports are clearly written and include the necessary background information. They are politically neutral and their research is top notch. For reasons only known to the government, the Congressional Research Service, which is a division of the Library of Congress, uses the US Department of State website for publishing their reports. http://fpc.state.gov/c18185.htm This is a link well worth bookmarking. Pretty much any major issue has a CRS report written about it. It is one of my better sources. I would love to work for CRS but they can't afford me. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

12-08-14, 01:00 PM	#6
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	If Rand wants war, then he can carry his arse over there and prosecute it. ISIS/ISIL is not a recognized sovereign entity, It's a terrorist organization. Send INTERPOL or The UN. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

12-03-14, 09:28 PM	#3
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,663 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	A proper Bill to introduce would be.. Let's kill them all and let God sort it out! (Standing by for the eventual spiral into normal GTA name calling and finger pointing. )

12-08-14, 02:55 PM	#7
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Could be worse, could be the other Paul...