Huge pro-EU rally grips Ukraine

[Skybird]

The Azow batallion has a reputation that one should not try to boast with in the West, and especially not when talking with Germans. At leats it is extremely right-wing - to call it Neo-Nazi probably is closer to the real thing. Its commander just recently was rewarded the seat of policie chief in Kiev. His reported biography and reputation is dubious, to put it mildly.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by sailor_X

I was not a camera man there, so stop asking me about proofs I will be no capable to show you. All I can say is there were lots of russian troops with no markings, but their documents gave them away who they were, rank, division, blood group etc. I wish I could be the investigator where captured russian soldiers were brought to, prhaps I could tell u more.

I see. Please avoid posting such misleading videos in the future then.

So why would those allegedly Russian troops, who do not wear markings or their normal uniforms as to avoid identification, carry the full documentation with them?

Originally Posted by ikalugin

I see. Please avoid posting such misleading videos in the future then.

So why would those allegedly Russian troops, who do not wear markings or their normal uniforms as to avoid identification, carry the full documentation with them?

They have to have documents to show them to their own officers if asked.

Originally Posted by Skybird

The Azow batallion has a reputation that one should not try to boast with in the West, and especially not when talking with Germans. At leats it is extremely right-wing - to call it Neo-Nazi probably is closer to the real thing. Its commander just recently was rewarded the seat of policie chief in Kiev. His reported biography and reputation is dubious, to put it mildly.

I'm a right wing person myself, so what's your point ?

Originally Posted by Oberon

Since we're talking about evidence here.

Got some?

Plenty of youtube. if you still don't trust, get a trip there.

[Skybird]

Oooopsala, now the debate will get hot: the Daily Mail refers to a Russian broadcaster who presented satellite images of which the TV station claims they illustrate the AAM-attack of a Mig-29 against shot-down Malaysian airliner MH17.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...et-attack.html



The image indeed looks like a fighter with shape matching that of a Mig launching a missile.

The focus now must be on "time" and "location". Location being more important. I wonder whether that can be concluded from the ground surface.

It also must be examined whether the photo has been manipulated or not.

[mapuc]

I for one don't think the Leader in NATO is lying when they say there are ordinary Russian soldiers in Eastern Ukraine.

The next question is...what are they doing there?

Fighting side by side with the separatist?
Helping the civilians ?
or both ?

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by sailor_X

I'm a right wing person myself, so what's your point ?

Point is I hate Nazis. And most people on this board as well hate Nazis. You fight a lost cause in this forum. Get away.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by sailor_X

They have to have documents to show them to their own officers if asked.

You mean their commanding officers that know them personally?

And why would they carry the full load of normal military documents (which Russian troops do not carry to combat mission, even on home soil) and not special ID cards or at worst regular civilian documents (such as Passport)?

Originally Posted by Skybird

Oooopsala, now the debate will get hot: the Daily Mail refers to a Russian broadcaster who presented satellite images of which the TV station claims they illustrate the AAM-attack of a Mig-29 against shot-down Malaysian airliner MA17.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...et-attack.html

The image indeed looks like a fighter with shape matching that of a Mig launching a missile.

The focus now must be on "time" and "location". Location being more important. I wonder whether that can be concluded from the ground surface.

"Daily Mail refers to a Russian broadcaster" Of course this tells "a lot" yeah right and the 9/11 was also made by americans right?. Seriously ? I just hate that kind of morons..

Originally Posted by Skybird

Point is I hate Nazis. And most people on this board as well hate Nazis. You fight a lost cause in this forum. Get away.

hatered will get you killed, sadly I don't care =]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

You mean their commanding officers that know them personally?

And why would they carry the full load of normal military documents (which Russian troops do not carry to combat mission, even on home soil) and not special ID cards or at worst regular civilian documents (such as Passport)?

How the hell should I know why are they so dumb, perhaps this way is more common for commanders to ID them..

[ikalugin]

 

Originally Posted by Skybird

Oooopsala, now the debate will get hot: the Daily Mail refers to a Russian broadcaster who presented satellite images of which the TV station claims they illustrate the AAM-attack of a Mig-29 against shot-down Malaysian airliner MA17.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...et-attack.html



The image indeed looks like a fighter with shape matching that of a Mig launching a missile.

The focus now must be on "time" and "location". Location being more important. I wonder whether that can be concluded from the ground surface.

It also must be examined whether the photo has been manipulated or not.

Sadly, as far as I know this is a photoshop fake - note the cloud formations.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Point is I hate Nazis. And most people on this board as well hate Nazis. You fight a lost cause in this forum. Get away.

I don't think that he has clearly stated that he is a NAZI just yet. That said Baltic states (and to an extend Ukraine) openly promote the SS veterans and SS related organisations.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by sailor_X

How the hell should I know why are they so dumb, perhaps this way is more common for commanders to ID them..

Maybe they were not dumb (or incompetent, as Russian troops do not carry their normal military documents into the combat missions, even on home soil), but the information itself is faulty?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by sailor_X

Plenty of youtube. if you still don't trust, get a trip there.

Despite my great-grandparents being from your neck of the woods, I am a bit too far west to get to Ukraine in any affordable matter, plus my combat skills are next to non-existent and I would likely be either assigned to guard Pripyat or returned to sender.

My request for proof though is related to your claim of service in Ukraine, as opposed to proof of Russians in Ukraine which is a discussion I've already been through in this thread about four hundred times.