Sub Command -- Speed seems to change too quickly

[FPSchazly]

Nope, sorry, that's just how it is in Sub Command Doesn't make any sense to me, either. You'll also notice, if you haven't already, that if you order a course change, your ship instantly starts changing course at the rate of change it'll take through the whole turn. What I mean by that is there's no increase or decrease in the rate of change through the turn which would happen from the rudder moving from 0 to whatever angle it has to be and then coming back to 0 again.

If you don't want these problems, yes, get Dangerous Waters. There are much more advanced ship dynamics in that. If you start a turn at 15 knots and reduce speed to 5 knots, you will overshoot the turn because of the large amount of momentum. Speed up and slow down is a lot slower, but the slow down still isn't as slow as I'd like. The ship will actually roll, too, unlike in Sub Command.

Tom Clancy SSN actually has some real good ship dynamics, in my opinion, but that's a very arcade-like game. You can actually employ "sprint and drift" effectively. Slow down takes a while in that game, and it seems water drag is modeled at least proportional to accurate drag. By that, I mean that you lose speed more quickly at higher speeds because the force of drag is proportional to the square of velocity. At lower speeds, it can take forever to lose speed.

[artao]

DANG! I was afraid of that. Thanks for the reply!
Now that you mention the course change issue, yeah, I see that. I hadn't really thought about it or noticed it.
So, yeah ... Dangerous Waters it is then. Looks like I can get several mods for it as well ... but which one? hmmm

[FPSchazly]

Well, unlike what I've heard about the Silent Hunters in that they're almost not worth playing without mods, I think Dangerous Waters is very playable without mods. In fact, I've never consistently used any mods with Dangerous Waters and I have more hours in that game than I can count. But, that's all up to you.

[artao]

Well, I did it ... Bought Dangerous Waters yesterday on Steam.
LOVE IT!!! ... yeah, I see what you mean about the speed changes. Better than SC, but not quite like 688(i) ... sprint-and-drift will be hard, if even possible ...... of course, I've only played one mission so far, with the 688(i) .. I forget the name, but it was recovering a SEAL team from near Vladivostok .. fun. Managed to evade two torpedoes on the way out.
and BOY!! Auto-TMA crew is MUCH worse at it than the SC auto-crew. wow
..
no mods installed yet, but I will be. Just not sure if I'll go with RA/DWX or LWAMI .. I DLed both ... and, of course, I'll be installing the dipping sonar fix and sonobuouy channel fix "mods"/patches.

[FPSchazly]

Originally Posted by artao

Well, I did it ... Bought Dangerous Waters yesterday on Steam.
LOVE IT!!! ... yeah, I see what you mean about the speed changes. Better than SC, but not quite like 688(i) ... sprint-and-drift will be hard, if even possible ...... of course, I've only played one mission so far, with the 688(i) .. I forget the name, but it was recovering a SEAL team from near Vladivostok .. fun. Managed to evade two torpedoes on the way out.
and BOY!! Auto-TMA crew is MUCH worse at it than the SC auto-crew. wow
..
no mods installed yet, but I will be. Just not sure if I'll go with RA/DWX or LWAMI .. I DLed both ... and, of course, I'll be installing the dipping sonar fix and sonobuouy channel fix "mods"/patches.

Give your TMA a few course changes and they'll nail that solution down lol. It also gives you an excuse to learn TMA for yourself! *hint hint, wink wink*

I watched the start of your movie sub Command Akula Campaign.

The intro part of the movie, is that part of the original intro to Sub Command?

I have the Naval Combat Pack and for Sub Command I don't haven't seen it. I see the intro for Fleet Command and 688(i) but no joy for SC.

If it is part of the intro, any idea on how to activate?

[FPSchazly]

Originally Posted by ab067

I watched the start of your movie sub Command Akula Campaign.

The intro part of the movie, is that part of the original intro to Sub Command?

I have the Naval Combat Pack and for Sub Command I don't haven't seen it. I see the intro for Fleet Command and 688(i) but no joy for SC.

If it is part of the intro, any idea on how to activate?

Glad to hear it!

I play my Sub Command off Steam and I, too, have no joy with the intro movie. I still have my CD-ROM copy of Sub Command, which I installed just to get that intro movie haha. I'm not sure if that intro movie is in some kind of readily readable format in the Sub Command directory of Steam or not.