Plot against the English Queen

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by August

I think you severely underestimate the British. Had this plot been carried to fruition I think it would have filled the British people with a terrible resolve that matched the American resolve post 9-11 or Pear Harbor.

I was not 100 % sure of how loved the English Queen is.

I also feared that many innocent Muslim would have been attacked by rightwing or other Muslim/foreign haters, if it had happened.

Markus

Neither the Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...n-high-wycombe nor the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29955066 say anything about the Queen being the target - I suspect the Sun is engaging in a little speculative hype.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Neither the Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...n-high-wycombe nor the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29955066 say anything about the Queen being the target - I suspect the Sun is engaging in a little speculative hype.

First I read about it in a Swedish news paper. In the article a link from where I suppose the Swedish news paper got their story, was posted.

I clicked on that link saw the headlines and copied the url-address and posted it hear(expected that it would be some how the same)

I can't say if the story was a "little speculative hype"

Markus

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

How on earth are these suspects supposed to gain access to a box to stab someone at an invite only event with all the extra security involved in a high profile event full of VIPs?

They're idiots and didn't really planned it out ??

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Betonov

They're idiots and didn't really planned it out ??

I really must get around to watching ...

[Skybird]

Islam has nothing to do with it, just to make that clear before Cameron. The Koran motivates for peace and tolerance and multicultural diversity and equality of men and women and respect for infidels, not for conquest, intolerance, racism, hate and violence.

Really!

What did Hamad Abdel-Samad write just three weeks ago?

It is often claimed that 99.9 percent of all Muslims are peaceful. Only a vanishingly small minority among them were prone to violence. If you measure this peacefulness by the non-participation in terrorist attacks or battles of the IS in Syria and Iraq, this bill may count right. According to these criteria, the majority of Germans during the Third Reich was peaceful. But peace does not mean the absence of violence, but absence of the mindset that leads to violence.

Peacefulness requires an education for peace, which unfortunately in many parts of Islamic families and schools, also in Germany, is missing. If you read that according to surveys, over 80 percent of all Saudis, and even a third of Turks have sympathy for the idea of the Islamic state, then you have to re-evaluate the claim of the peaceful majority of Muslims. In Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Bangladesh and Pakistan, a similar picture emerges. In Germany, Muslims dissociate indeed from the atrocities of the IS-fighter, but many of them still stick firmly to the idea of the caliphate and the application of Sharia law for all times. "The theory is correct, only the implementation is lagging behind", we also know to hear from supporters of communism. Right here begins the real problem. Here is the back door for political Islam.

There is a qualitative difference between a fighter who in the name of Allah cuts off the heads of other people, and a Muslim father who forces his daughter to wear a headscarf, but both act out of the same mindset. Both see their deeds completing the will of God which is is neither changeable nor negotiable. Giving in to this will of God unconditionally is the meaning of the Arabic word "Islam". This devotion to education and lack of criticism against the laws of God is the essential ingredient of Islamic education, also in Germany.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=868

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by August

I think you severely underestimate the British. Had this plot been carried to fruition I think it would have filled the British people with a terrible resolve that matched the American resolve post 9-11 or Pear Harbor.

Of that we can all be certain

Last attempted by Hitler during the Blitz.

Originally Posted by mapuc

I was not 100 % sure of how loved the English Queen is.

Like all monarchs, there will be those who are anti-royal but overall she is extremely popular IMHO.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Last attempted by Hitler during the Blitz.

No, last attempted in 2005 by Islamic terrorism ("7/7"). 52 victims dead, over 700 injured.

The Brits stayed calm.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

No, last attempted in 2005 by Islamic terrorism ("7/7"). 56 dead, over 700 injured.

And the Irish before that...a lot more frequently, and in total a lot more dead.
In 13 years of Islamic extremism in the UK we've had 57 killed, working out as an average of 4.38 a year. The Irish managed 66.72 per year over a period of 29 years.
The radical Muslim hordes have got a lot of catching up to do.

[Betonov]

And if the IRA couldn't get to the Queen, how those amateurs will ??

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Oberon

And the Irish before that...a lot more frequently, and in total a lot more dead.
In 13 years of Islamic extremism in the UK we've had 57 killed, working out as an average of 4.38 a year. The Irish managed 66.72 per year over a period of 29 years.
The radical Muslim hordes have got a lot of catching up to do.

Mapuc: If they had success it would have been dagger in the heart of the English soul.

August: I think you severely underestimate the British. Had this plot been carried to fruition I think it would have filled the British people with a terrible resolve that matched the American resolve post 9-11 or Pear Harbor.

Jimbuna: Of that we can all be certain . Last attempted by Hitler during the Blitz.

Skybird: No, last attempted in 2005 by Islamic terrorism ("7/7"). 52 victims dead, over 700 injured. The Brits stayed calm.

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Allah is a great deceiver (and in Oberon's interpretation: relativiser).

[Jimbuna]

How silly of me...here was I thinking the OP was wanting to discuss the effect of a death to the monarch and debating the resolve (if any of the British nation).

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I also feared that many innocent Muslim would have been attacked by rightwing or other Muslim/foreign haters, if it had happened.

Well you're right to be fearful because i'm sure it would happen.

There are evil people in all human societies and in all their political, religious and economic flavors, and evil people will do evil things. A more accurate measure of a society is how they deal with them. Are they condoned or even encouraged or are they condemned and prosecuted? I'm betting in Britain it will be a lot more of the latter than the former.