"Fury" - Movie. Bollywood Boycott Time again

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

OP = Original Poster = Feuer Frei!
At least that's how I interpret it...

I asked August, not FF.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

This was posted on subsim facebook.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...o-win-the-war/

Great article! Especially the solid immutable fact "Quantity has Quality of its own" 'During World War II, approximately 19,247 Shermans were issued to the US Army and about 1,114 to the US Marine Corps The U.S. also supplied 17,184 to England (some of which in turn went to the Canadians and the Free Poles), while the Russians received 4,102.'' The Russians built 100.000 tanks of which 83,000 were lost....there were only ever 1400 Tigers and that total includes rebuilds. Comin' at you from East and West, I make it....141,647 vs 1400 slow moving Tigers with limited field/bridge range/access and a logistic problem in having to dismantle wheels for rail transit....they should better have spent the Reichmarks on Panzer IV's en masse!

[nikimcbee]

And if you liked the Tiger then you'll love the King Tiger, now with cup holders.

If the tiger wasn't slow and cumbersome enough for you, we've made it more slower and more cumbersome.

Looks really cool in the show room. (petrol logistics and service not included).

An if you buy a King Tiger now, we'll install a free sound system, so you can "blitz" to this tune:

[Dread Knot]

My Tiger Tank slippers keep my treads warm on those bitter Eastern Front winter nights.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Yep. Despite me being a member of a military equipment forum (sort of) and a WW2 game brought me here, I'm surprisingly clueless about about that conflict. Half the bits about WW2 you throw at me will be new.
I know how a tiger looks like from Kelly's heroes, I know about D-Day from the Longest day. I don't know the difference between a Huricane and a Spitfire.

I also knew about 5:1 ratio for Shermans to take down a Tiger, I knew about the air cover being the biggest enemy. I never knew that German tanks were to complex to be really reliable and valuable. Never knew they were made by small workshops rather than in large factories and I never knew that they were a rare sight on the western front.
So yeah, that article showed me something new

Spitfire - bubble dome cockpit, elliptical wings, sometimes clipped edges.
Hurricane - greenhouse like cockpit, rectangular wings, wooden frame with canvas covering.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Spitfire - bubble dome cockpit, elliptical wings, sometimes clipped edges.
Hurricane - greenhouse like cockpit, rectangular wings, wooden frame with canvas covering.

The one in York had no wings

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Betonov

The one in York had no wings

That's the special edition, for new pilots.

[Dread Knot]

If you pull the wings off this model British warplane you really can have a Tempest in a teapot.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Maybe the next time you (Germans) start a war you should:
1. Don't fight a multi-front war.
2. Don't invade Russia.
3. Don't over engineer your tanks.



Then you can make the war movies how you want.

Lucky at football, unlucky at war I guess.

1) There are reasons as to why it turned into a two-front war.
2) Russia's invasion, that was also inevitable, since that communist pig ( who ended up killing more people than Hitler but no-one gives a crap about that do they) would have broken the non-aggression pact anyway.
A matter of time.
3) Over-engineered? Well, we are known for producing some dam fine armament, including those 'lame' Tigers.
Certainly dented a hole into the Allied efforts.
And 1 country against the rest of the world.
Took you guys a while to defeat us.

Originally Posted by Dowly

Sorry, but I have to ask for a link still.

If it is so strongly worded one, sure you can give me?

Or BLAA BLAA BULL**** BACKED BY NOTHING?

What link? What qstn?
Why ask August who the haters are?
Pretty easy to see who the realists are and who the people are who line the Hollywood's pockets with green backs to get their 'fix' of propaganda.
Can't see why i should link you anything to back up my claims as to why this movie is anything other than garbage and the reason why i posted this thread.
If that's not clear enough, then you writing in caps isnt going to get you those links.

Not my problem that people think this movie is so dam good and realistic and 'balanced' and that ss troops marching down a road in 1945 singing, and SS not using their Panzer fausts against a crappy allied tank and running blindly into machine gun fire again and again is good stuff.

Because no Yanks or Brits or Frogs or Commies (or the rest of the allied band of warriors) were ever dumb and stupid or you know, did stuff that was abhorrent or stained with moral implications or reprehensable actions or, just running into gun fire blindly, or not using the weapon to at least attempt to destroy the other sides' armor, or....
On a person to person ratio, since the Germans were vastly outnumbered, i'd wager a bet that there were a hell of a lot more dumb soldiers on that side than ours
But then that wouldn't make a good movie now would it, depicting the allies as unrealistically dumb and stupid.
I'd beg to differ. I think it would make great entertainment. Since firstly, it would be nice and 'balanced', and secondly, allied troops getting caught up in fire fights and loosing badly due to their inept fighting skills due to their dumb decision-making would be swell

Fury, what a joke, the movie should be called: Let's kill some (more) Germans. Yawn.
Hollywood sux, it panders to those who want to feel good about portraying Germans as Nazis and that when you kill a German, it's a good day's entertainment.
Again, what a joke.

[ikalugin]

I sense that some one is emotionally invested in the matter. Maybe that person should rest, as even a Russian such as me brainwashed with the GPW myth (myth as in the cultural wake WW2 left rather than improper historiography of it) doesn't feel the need to be enraged.

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

I asked August, not FF.

Well there you go.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Moving pictures eh, no good will come of this new fangled invention.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

2) Russia's invasion, that was also inevitable, since that communist pig ( who ended up killing more people than Hitler but no-one gives a crap about that do they) would have broken the non-aggression pact anyway.
A matter of time.

The Red Alert scenario, with Hitler out of the way Stalin would go on a European tour'de commie with his red army band
I'm sincerely not mocking you, I thought about this ever since I realized what the Red Alert intro meant. There were 2 madmen in Europe at that time. One went against the west and lost, the other went with the west and the west gave him a mandate to conquer east. IIRC the UK actually planned they'd launch an invasion of the Soviet Union in alliance with Hitler.

I'll try and dig up a link later. It's still to early

[ikalugin]

in 1945 there was Operation Unthinkable, but it is somewhat different as to what you describe.

As to the madmen - Soviets did not have an objective to exterminate everyone else for the living space, so I think they were somewhat better than the NAZIs.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

in 1945 there was Operation Unthinkable, but it is somewhat different as to what you describe.

As to the madmen - Soviets did not have an objective to exterminate everyone else for the living space, so I think they were somewhat better than the NAZIs.

I meant only Hitler and Stalin.
Hitler killed millions because of their beliefs and background, Stalin killed millions because of their political beliefs and sheer paranoia

Kill millions or kill millions. There's no one better than the other because of different objectives.