Kurdish Mad Max

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

The problem there is which Kurds?
They are not simply all Kurds, you have good Kurds and bad Kurds, you have friendly Kurds and nasty Kurds. So in reality the arm the Kurds protect the Kurds policies of the past have come full circle and you are now fighting against people you helped set up in the first place.

Indeed! a lesson not lost on Richard the LionHeart...Saladin was a Kurd, born in Tikrit, same as our old buddy Saddam Hussein...nothing changes. Did note the flair and design of the improvised vehicles though- morale seems to be unflagging, considering ISIS doesn't treat prisoners very well...

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

...nothing changes.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Well...my thoughts on the picture August posted were... high, unstable, slow, noisy and vulnerable.

PRECISELY!

[Oberon]

I must admit, my thoughts went back a little further than that:

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

The problem there is which Kurds?
:

A bad Kurd compared to IS is like a bad day fishing.....

[August]

Every human society has it's bad element and the Kurds are no different but they compare pretty favorably to the Sunnis and Shiites.

[Tchocky]

Well that's a little disingenuous I think, August. Still correct though. The Kurds have the advantage of being relatively unaffected by the unnecessarily divisive Maliki government, meaning they're better equipped to act in unison than the disastrous Iraqi army.

It remains to be seen whether the new Iraqi government can avoid the mistakes of the previous one regarding national unity and cohesive military operations. Strangely enough the same can be said for the Afghan government.

Regarding IS, who knows. The counter-human demands a response, unfortunately they have arisen in a situation that can have no winners, yet one that punishes disengagement even more harshly.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So you missed the whole heritage thing?
You can trace IS back to the Kurds
You really are missing the whole thing, rather like August is with this line.....
Kurds are mainly Sunni with some Shiites thrown in for regional balance.
The Kurdish Salafists who became Ansar in Iraq after their return from Afghanistan then became ISIL which became ISIS which became IS.

Don't care what you trace them back to, but what and where they stand now. I could trace you back to......how far in the evolution process should we go.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I could trace you back to......how far in the evolution process should we go.

40,000BC

[Oberon]

Baby steps Tribes, we've managed to go from 'all Muslims are evil' to 'Actually, those Muslims are alright'. I'd call that progress...

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Baby steps Tribes, we've managed to go from 'all Muslims are evil' to 'Actually, those Muslims are alright'. I'd call that progress...

Are you talking about me? Care to show me where I have said anything like that?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

Are you talking about me? Care to show me where I have said anything like that?

Not you. The mood of the board in general though.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So you don't know what you are talking about at all.
Unless of course you can deliver on what a random dozen Kurdish groups are currently for and what they are against, who are they fighting and who are they supporting.
Because it appears that "Kurd" has become some sort of magic word for you which you apply without any understanding at all.

Kinda like August thinking that Kurds are neither Sunni or Shia but are some sort of magic muslims instead.

So once again in very easy words as you have great difficulty understanding this very simple thing, the crazy salafist Kurds fighting for an Islamic State and global caliphate are still crazy salafists and still kurds.

Stop Kurding around....

[Oberon]

Reminds me when a BBC newsreader got a little confused when referring to Turkish Kurds...getting the first letter of each word mixed.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

No progress Oberon.
Its gone from 'all muslims are extremists and evil' to 'those muslim extremists are nice because they are kurds and kurds are magic'.
Progress would be getting rid of the blanket statements and dealing with specifics.

I've never said all Muslims are evil, I said Islam based on it books is evil and that radical groups actually give us a pure true version of Islam. It's been the same with most religions, but most have reformed. While the Kurds are made up of numerous religions, they are mostly Muslim. The issue is we really don't have good players, we have bad and worse and right now the Kurds fighting IS is the better choice.

The better choice would be to let the Muslims continue to keep killing each other in mass and not take sides, but they all seem to enjoy supporting terror against the world in one form or the other and of course they sit on a lot of oil.
As long as we defend Israel, we'll be involved there.

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by Armistead

The better choice would be to let the Muslims continue to keep killing each other in mass and not take sides, but they all seem to enjoy supporting terror against the world in one form or the other and of course they sit on a lot of oil.
As long as we defend Israel, we'll be involved there.

The reason that ISIS feels so free to kill other Muslims is that they believe anybody who doesn't follow their particular fundamentalist flavor of Islam isn't a Muslim, but an infidel, or even worse, an apostate. And therefore free game.

It's basically the "No True Scotsman" fallacy on all sides, but with the added bonus of suicide bombings and beheadings.

It seems to me that a believer of any faith who feels the need to hasten God's judgment is saying deep down they don't trust God to do the job properly or soon enough. Which you would think would annoy God no end.