Hitler would've won the war if. . .

[CCIP]

I agree also, actually, as a Russian. Although the invasion of Greece was just one of the many larger-or-smaller factors surrounding the failure of Barbarossa, it really did buy time. Although I don't really agree with the theory that the Russian weather beat Hitler - it was a factor; and time is never NOT a factor. The Balkans, generally speaking, are a forgotten area of the war that likely had much bigger consequences than people give it credit for.

Otherwise, Hitler's errors are just too many. For starters, he should have just learned to keep his focus on one front of war. It's stupid beyond all reasons that in a post World War I world, he led Germany into another multi-front war.

I think his BIGGEST mistake was declaring war on the USA. Had he not done this, then the USA would not have entered the war when it did and Britian would have fallen to Germany. As long as the USA kept sending transports to Britian and food to Britian the Germans had no chance to win. Also, the USA got the bomb before all and would have used it on Germany just the same as they did to Japan if not used it even more so. Germany was crushed by nothing more than sheer power from the allies and their whole war got beat back with a broom all the way to Berlin. Hitler showed his true cowardly self in the end and shot himself for being the worlds biggest loser. Not quite sure which death penalty he would have suffered had they caught him alive and which nation would have been the ones to administer it. Perhaps there would have been a firing squad comprised of British, American, French, Jews, Polish, Russians, etc.. each to aim at him where they wished and simply let loose on him. Anyways, he was a dead man from the moment he decided to invade Poland and declare war on the world. Had Germany won the Japanese would have come in and stomped the crap out of Germany.

[CCIP]

I don't think the US would have stayed out of the European war for very long once it was attacked by Japan. Roosevelt wasn't about to let Hitler get away; of course there would be a delay and a need for some tricky manuevering not to touch off opposition at home if Hitler didn't just declare war, but it would happen eventually.

Regardless, even if the US did not go to fight Germans directly in open war, it was already providing so much help to Britain that its' contribution could be considered vital.

Noone would argue that US wasn't key in Allied victory, but I don't think Hitler's puzzling declaration of war had made very much difference in the end. America's going to war was, ultimately, to the country's great advantage, not to mention removing Hitler. The US has gained a lot of say in the world by virtue of being a winner - and at a relatively low "price". Arguably, they're the only ones that actually 'won' in WWII (it was at best a pyrrhic victory for Britain and the USSR)!

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by SubSerpent

Not quite sure which death penalty he would have suffered had they caught him alive and which nation would have been the ones to administer it. Perhaps there would have been a firing squad comprised of British, American, French, Jews, Polish, Russians, etc.. each to aim at him where they wished and simply let loose on him.

No I think the hung all the war criminals at the end of the European war. Plus I think the death penalty would have been letting him off easy. Although I kinda like the idea of taking one of his own gas chambers and using that...

But back on the subject, if Germany had not declared war on the USA I doubt it would have really mattered since the UK was at war with Japan and the USA was at war with Japan, I would not have been surprised if the US just started sending troops to protect the UK (because it might uhh... get invaded by Japan... ) kind of like we did with Iceland. It would have come down to invading a country that is under the protection of a nation you are not officially at war with.

[The Avon Lady]

Hitler would have won the war if G-d would have let him.

But G-d didn't.

So Hitler didn't.

So there!

[kiwi_2005]

Hitler would have won the war if G-d would have let him.

But G-d didn't.

So Hitler didn't.

So there

For that you win this!

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

For that you win this!
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...Avonsmouse.jpg

Me wants!

[mog]

Realistically, Hitler could never have invaded and conquered Great Britain, and nor could he ever have won in the east, especially while the Allies were supplying the Soviets.

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Hitler would have won the war if G-d would have let him.

But G-d didn't.

So Hitler didn't.

So there!

Actually Hitler was fighting God's chosen people (not: holy people) and therefor doomed to failure.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Abraham

Actually Hitler was fighting God's chosen people (not: holy people) and therefor doomed to failure.

All evil is at some point or another doomed to failure.

I don't want to go off on a tangent but define "holy".

[U-214]

@ joea

Pls Check your PMs

Regards

[U-214]

CCIP wrote:

I agree also, actually, as a Russian. Although the invasion of Greece was just one of the many larger-or-smaller factors surrounding the failure of Barbarossa, it really did buy time. Although I don't really agree with the theory that the Russian weather beat Hitler - it was a factor; and time is never NOT a factor. The Balkans, generally speaking, are a forgotten area of the war that likely had much bigger consequences than people give it credit for.

The question about the russian weather is one of the biggest in WWII history.I really don't know what would be the conseguences of a swifter attack.For sure,i don't beleive that the Germans could occupy all Russia.Also,the Russian reserves from the asiatic part of Russia were much more accustomed to harsh climate than the German troops.I do think that the Germans MAYBE could have taken Moscow (they arrived to Tula if i m not mistaken,about 20km outside Moscow).It is known that the Germans had terrible problems with their heavy equipment,which was the heart of their war machine and success.Maybe the war would have lasted longer,maybe Russia would sign a truce,who knows.

Anyway,it seems that the Germans had much confidence on themselves in case of better weather.I encountered this by luck:

Italy's entry into the war has been nothing but a disaster for us. If the Italians hadn't attacked Greece and needed our help, the war would have taken a different course. We could have anticipated the Russian cold by weeks and conquered Leningrad and Moscow. There would have then been no Stalingrad.

Leni Riefenstahl in conversation with Adolf Hitler, 30 March 1944
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...0/ai_n15957576

For those who don't know,Riefenstahl was the mediatic mastermind behind Hitler's film propaganda,staging the party rallies etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leni_Riefenstahl

[Kapitan]

Where my stepdad has moved to in the far north (Murmansk region) it is winter 9 months of the year, it is also one of the most strategic places of importance to capture, capture that you have the entire russian navy almost.

[joea]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

All evil is at some point or another doomed to failure.

I don't want to go off on a tangent but define "holy".

I agree with that! For a change.

U-214, back at ya with a PM.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by joea

I agree with that! For a change.

What?

That evil is doomed to failure?

Or that you don't want to go off on a tangent?

Or both? :P