Swatting..is this a new craze?

Buddahaid · 09-01-14, 12:57 PM

What a horrible thing to do. The sentence is deserved but I've never been at peace with charging minors as adults.

vanjast · 09-01-14, 01:23 PM

A combination of USA paranoia and Laws gone over the edge, thanks to that ignoramus, Bush and cronies, and a stupid kid, who and his parents, should know better.

Schroeder · 09-01-14, 01:28 PM

While this definitely deserves some form of punishment 25 years is something not even a lot of murderers get here. Totally exaggerated especially considering that it's a 15 years old.

Catfish · 09-01-14, 01:41 PM

Are they crazy ?

This was a prank, if a bad one, from a 15-year-old boy !

25 years ?!
Does the US version of criminal law relating to young offenders really say that ??

Post 9/11 paranoia and "threat level" hype US style

Buddahaid · 09-01-14, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Are they crazy ?

This was a prank, if a bad one, from a 15-year-old boy !

25 years ?!
Does the US version of criminal law relating to young offenders really say that ??

Post 9/11 paranoia and "threat level" hype US style

It's not a prank is the point. The victims Dad was shot in the raid.

August · 09-01-14, 01:49 PM

Perhaps you missed the part where the targets father was shot. This kid attempted murder. That's definitely worth 25 years.

bertieck476 · 09-01-14, 01:52 PM

He deserves punishing so he realises that his stupidity has serious consequences but as others have said it seems a little OTT, 18-24 months in a young offenders prison I think would have been more suitable.

Catfish · 09-01-14, 02:53 PM

@August
Yes missed that part, sorry.

Very bad, but there should be other methods. I guess this kid has already learned his lesson - bad enough to live with this

seaniam81 · 09-01-14, 03:06 PM

I disagree. This teen should have been charged as an adult. And while I don't like the Patriot act on principle I do think the teen got a fair punishment. At 15 one should know they can't call the police with a fake call, and putting people's lives at risk.

Wolferz · 09-01-14, 03:18 PM

Naturally the story continued by describing how dangerous it is for the police to serve no knock warrants and the consequences to them and occupants of the home in the process.

Perhaps, if the police stopped raiding homes like a bunch of jack booted storm troopers who shoot anything that moves, these kinds of tragedies might be avoided. Even if some fool kid SWATS a rival with a false police report.
There are both audio and video tools available to see what's going on in the house before you go knocking down the bloody door. That is if they could refrain from screaming up to the place with lights and sirens telegraphing their approach, they could sneak up and have a peek very easily.

At any rate, young master Horner is going to have a long time to contemplate his stupidity.
. Used as an example ya think?

We could send him some Preparation H.

"Here you go Warden, got you a nice young body for the prison factory."
"He work for you long time."

Platapus · 09-01-14, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Are they crazy ?

This was a prank, if a bad one, from a 15-year-old boy !

If the news story is accurate, it sounds a bit more than a prank.

I am not writing that I agree with the sentence, but it is more than a prank. Bet he won't be doing that again.

Jimbuna · 09-01-14, 03:35 PM

Split on this....one part of me thinks the sentence a little harsh and the other reminds me what I've learned in life about people being made accountable for the consequences of their actions.

GoldenRivet · 09-01-14, 03:37 PM

Lets not forget though, sooner or later he will be up for parole. And he will likely be paroled and released.

I doubt if he will serve seven years of the sentence

09-01-14, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

While this definitely deserves some form of punishment 25 years is something not even a lot of murderers get here. Totally exaggerated especially considering that it's a 15 years old.

nope, every time they do a false raid there is a good chance someone can be shot or killed (resident or police) so in effect this kid was loading a gun and playing Russian roulette with other peoples lives in the name of FUN.

he is no different then those kids who threw a big rock off the overpass into an oncoming cars windshield and killed a mother driving with her husband and kid and the kid saw his moms brains out all over the seat.

stop looking at the image or impression of what you think the image of the criminal is and look at the victims and their families when fun and games gets people killed.

this doesn't matter anyway because they are sending a message and in a year or two they will reduce his sentence to time served and he will only do about 2 years of actual jail time I bet

BrucePartington · 09-01-14, 05:59 PM

After all that's been said here, I only have one problem with the current prison system. I just hope he doesn't get a Masters degree in crime while at Crime University. Otherwise he'll become hopelessly entangled in a vicious closed loop.

09-01-14, 12:57 PM	#1
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,331 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	What a horrible thing to do. The sentence is deserved but I've never been at peace with charging minors as adults. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

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Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	While this definitely deserves some form of punishment 25 years is something not even a lot of murderers get here. Totally exaggerated especially considering that it's a 15 years old. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,217 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Perhaps you missed the part where the targets father was shot. This kid attempted murder. That's definitely worth 25 years. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

09-01-14, 03:06 PM	#9
seaniam81 Commodore Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 624 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 0	I disagree. This teen should have been charged as an adult. And while I don't like the Patriot act on principle I do think the teen got a fair punishment. At 15 one should know they can't call the police with a fake call, and putting people's lives at risk. __________________ Ultima ratio regum. (The final argument of kings) - Inscription on french cannons, on order of Louis XIV

09-01-14, 03:18 PM	#10
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	The Zeitgeist... Naturally the story continued by describing how dangerous it is for the police to serve no knock warrants and the consequences to them and occupants of the home in the process. Perhaps, if the police stopped raiding homes like a bunch of jack booted storm troopers who shoot anything that moves, these kinds of tragedies might be avoided. Even if some fool kid SWATS a rival with a false police report. There are both audio and video tools available to see what's going on in the house before you go knocking down the bloody door. That is if they could refrain from screaming up to the place with lights and sirens telegraphing their approach, they could sneak up and have a peek very easily. At any rate, young master Horner is going to have a long time to contemplate his stupidity. . Used as an example ya think? We could send him some Preparation H. "Here you go Warden, got you a nice young body for the prison factory." "He work for you long time." __________________ Tomorrow never comes

09-01-14, 01:23 PM	#2
vanjast Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere else now Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 825 Uploads: 4	A combination of USA paranoia and Laws gone over the edge, thanks to that ignoramus, Bush and cronies, and a stupid kid, who and his parents, should know better.

09-01-14, 01:41 PM	#4
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,779 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Are they crazy ? This was a prank, if a bad one, from a 15-year-old boy ! 25 years ?! Does the US version of criminal law relating to young offenders really say that ?? Post 9/11 paranoia and "threat level" hype US style

09-01-14, 01:52 PM	#7
bertieck476 Chief Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 327 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	He deserves punishing so he realises that his stupidity has serious consequences but as others have said it seems a little OTT, 18-24 months in a young offenders prison I think would have been more suitable.

09-01-14, 02:53 PM	#8
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,779 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	@August Yes missed that part, sorry. Very bad, but there should be other methods. I guess this kid has already learned his lesson - bad enough to live with this

09-01-14, 03:35 PM	#12
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,712 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Split on this....one part of me thinks the sentence a little harsh and the other reminds me what I've learned in life about people being made accountable for the consequences of their actions. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-01-14, 03:37 PM	#13
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Lets not forget though, sooner or later he will be up for parole. And he will likely be paroled and released. I doubt if he will serve seven years of the sentence __________________

09-01-14, 05:59 PM	#15
BrucePartington XO Join Date: May 2013 Location: KM AM99 Posts: 405 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	After all that's been said here, I only have one problem with the current prison system. I just hope he doesn't get a Masters degree in crime while at Crime University. Otherwise he'll become hopelessly entangled in a vicious closed loop. __________________ "The bureaucracy is expanding, to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy." - Leonard Nimoy