Swedish Armed Forces Staff raise preparedness

Gerald · 08-30-14, 04:43 PM

And it's all about the unrest in Ukraine and vicinity.

Headquarters
In view of the serious developments in Ukraine acting Armed Forces by including height staff preparedness in the headquarters and enhanced intelligence gathering. Staff work is intended to review the need to adapt preparedness, upcoming exercises and other activities. - We follow the development closely, says the head of management staff Lieutenant General Jan. Salestrand. (Translated from Swedish)

Given the increased activity exercises in the Baltic Sea is incident root currently stationed on the island.

http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/aktu...bsberedskapen/

Note: 29 augusti 2014 kl: 17.03.

mapuc · 08-30-14, 05:08 PM

I read and heard about it in the Swedish news. What I think is funny in this story is that Sweden have moved "2" of our JAS39 to Gotland.

Only Two against how many Russian MIG or Su !!??

I do know that our JAS39 is a very good fighter jet and our pilots are well trained, that is just ain't enough.

Back to story

I don't think Putin is interested in escalating the crisis in Ukraine. (I hope he isn't)

Markus

Gerald · 08-30-14, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

I read and heard about it in the Swedish news. What I think is funny in this story is that Sweden have moved "2" of our JAS39 to Gotland.

Only Two against how many Russian MIG or Su !!??

I do know that our JAS39 is a very good fighter jet and our pilots are well trained, that is just ain't enough.

Back to story

I don't think Putin is interested in escalating the crisis in Ukraine. (I hope he isn't)

Markus

I do not think that to Markus, to launch a large-scale war.

Skybird · 08-30-14, 05:24 PM

Its more bureaucratic excercising. When some months ago NATO announced that it would increase the alarm level of its interceptor patrol in the Baltic, it only meant that they would continue with already scheduled training flights that already were running at that time.

And when German airforce announced that they would contribute to that "increased" NATO presence by sending aircraft, that only meant that they sent I think 4 or 6 airplanes that served as training targets for the NATO fighters exercising there, and after being "shot" down as planned, returned to German bases.

The Baltic Sea I would expect to already be under tight NATO surveillance by submarines, mainly German ones. The Baltic is Germany's primary naval focus within the framework of NATO doctrine and scenarios focussing on the USSR/Russia.

mapuc · 08-30-14, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendor

I do not think that to Markus, to launch a large-scale war.

During my time in the Swedish Navy I said to one of our Officer. Soviet is not in anyway interested in occupying the entire country.

What Soviet is intested in is two areas

South Sweden and part of middle Sweden- Clear access to Denmark and North sea and so on.

Northern part of Sweden.

It's about 50 % of Our country they are interested in.

I remember he asked me how I knew this

I don't know for sure, but if I was the leader of Soviet, why should I use soldiers equipment a.s.o to invade a whole country, when I only need access to some part of our county.

Markus

nikimcbee · 08-30-14, 08:36 PM

Is Putin going to annex IKEA?

Jimbuna · 08-31-14, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Is Putin going to annex IKEA?

ROFLMAO....Putin is well and truly worried now

Catfish · 08-31-14, 05:22 AM

Gerald · 08-31-14, 06:08 AM

^LOL

mapuc · 08-31-14, 12:25 PM

^ #8

mapuc · 08-31-14, 03:51 PM

To say it directly if Russia chose to attack Sweden, we have not much of military to use against them.

Some years ago there were made som report in which it clearly was stated Sweden could not defend every part of Sweden and even if the Swedish military choses to defend only some part of it, it could not withstand a longer war, more than 3-4 weeks and we couldn't rely on help from NATO or EU(can't find anywhere, I know I have read it, in Swedish)

Lately most of the Swedish politician have raised their voices for an increase of the Swedish military. What people seems to forget is that it takes more than years to rebuild an army or a military back to what it was before the cut down started

In the mid of the 60's Sweden had the 5th biggest navy
In the beginning of the 60's/70's Sweden had the 4 biggest airforce
(have read that in some books)

The reason to why we had such a big navy and airforce was that we had to fight NATO and WP( it was not official but everyone knew that Sweden was more friendly to NATO than a neutral country)

Markus

Gerald · 08-31-14, 06:19 PM

'In the mid of the 60's Sweden had the 5th biggest navy
In the beginning of the 60's/70's Sweden had the 4 biggest airforce'.I even think that we have the third largest aviation.After these last twenty years, it has taken a different turn, as we know, certainly more advanced weapons now than before, but a big minus with abolished conscription.

Jimbuna · 09-01-14, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

To say it directly if Russia chose to attack Sweden, we have not much of military to use against them.

Some years ago there were made som report in which it clearly was stated Sweden could not defend every part of Sweden and even if the Swedish military choses to defend only some part of it, it could not withstand a longer war, more than 3-4 weeks and we couldn't rely on help from NATO or EU(can't find anywhere, I know I have read it, in Swedish)

Lately most of the Swedish politician have raised their voices for an increase of the Swedish military. What people seems to forget is that it takes more than years to rebuild an army or a military back to what it was before the cut down started

In the mid of the 60's Sweden had the 5th biggest navy
In the beginning of the 60's/70's Sweden had the 4 biggest airforce
(have read that in some books)

The reason to why we had such a big navy and airforce was that we had to fight NATO and WP( it was not official but everyone knew that Sweden was more friendly to NATO than a neutral country)

Markus

Without doing the research I'm happy to accept your positional figures for each military arm but the question I would pose is....What use are they or were they, you never used them?

I can only concur they were intended for self defence should ever Sweden come under attack.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 09-01-14, 10:43 AM

So talking tough and rearranging deck chairs on Titanic?

Sounds familiar...

BTW, Do anyone here known any NATO country (or one next to Russia) which is not cutting its military right now?

Jimbuna · 09-01-14, 11:36 AM

Ukraine

'One next to Russia'

08-30-14, 04:43 PM	#1
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Swedish Armed Forces Staff raise preparedness And it's all about the unrest in Ukraine and vicinity. Headquarters In view of the serious developments in Ukraine acting Armed Forces by including height staff preparedness in the headquarters and enhanced intelligence gathering. Staff work is intended to review the need to adapt preparedness, upcoming exercises and other activities. - We follow the development closely, says the head of management staff Lieutenant General Jan. Salestrand. (Translated from Swedish) Given the increased activity exercises in the Baltic Sea is incident root currently stationed on the island. http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/aktu...bsberedskapen/ Note: 29 augusti 2014 kl: 17.03. __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

08-30-14, 05:24 PM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,645 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Its more bureaucratic excercising. When some months ago NATO announced that it would increase the alarm level of its interceptor patrol in the Baltic, it only meant that they would continue with already scheduled training flights that already were running at that time. And when German airforce announced that they would contribute to that "increased" NATO presence by sending aircraft, that only meant that they sent I think 4 or 6 airplanes that served as training targets for the NATO fighters exercising there, and after being "shot" down as planned, returned to German bases. The Baltic Sea I would expect to already be under tight NATO surveillance by submarines, mainly German ones. The Baltic is Germany's primary naval focus within the framework of NATO doctrine and scenarios focussing on the USSR/Russia. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	'In the mid of the 60's Sweden had the 5th biggest navy In the beginning of the 60's/70's Sweden had the 4 biggest airforce'.I even think that we have the third largest aviation.After these last twenty years, it has taken a different turn, as we know, certainly more advanced weapons now than before, but a big minus with abolished conscription. __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

08-30-14, 05:08 PM	#2
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,540 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I read and heard about it in the Swedish news. What I think is funny in this story is that Sweden have moved "2" of our JAS39 to Gotland. Only Two against how many Russian MIG or Su !!?? I do know that our JAS39 is a very good fighter jet and our pilots are well trained, that is just ain't enough. Back to story I don't think Putin is interested in escalating the crisis in Ukraine. (I hope he isn't) Markus

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08-31-14, 03:51 PM	#11
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,540 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	To say it directly if Russia chose to attack Sweden, we have not much of military to use against them. Some years ago there were made som report in which it clearly was stated Sweden could not defend every part of Sweden and even if the Swedish military choses to defend only some part of it, it could not withstand a longer war, more than 3-4 weeks and we couldn't rely on help from NATO or EU(can't find anywhere, I know I have read it, in Swedish) Lately most of the Swedish politician have raised their voices for an increase of the Swedish military. What people seems to forget is that it takes more than years to rebuild an army or a military back to what it was before the cut down started In the mid of the 60's Sweden had the 5th biggest navy In the beginning of the 60's/70's Sweden had the 4 biggest airforce (have read that in some books) The reason to why we had such a big navy and airforce was that we had to fight NATO and WP( it was not official but everyone knew that Sweden was more friendly to NATO than a neutral country) Markus

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kraznyi_oktjabr Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Republiken Finland Posts: 1,803 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	So talking tough and rearranging deck chairs on Titanic? Sounds familiar... BTW, Do anyone here known any NATO country (or one next to Russia) which is not cutting its military right now? __________________ You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic. - Dr. House

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