Is ISIS a product of the allies politics in Iraq? - Page 4

kraznyi_oktjabr · 08-10-14, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Need to clear something here.

ISIS is a very extreme Radical Conservative religious fractions or group.

NOT! every Muslim is radical or extreme. YES! they do exist and YES they have followers

It is also dangerous to embrace the whole Islam as the religion of peace which they seem not to be, not for the moment.

What seems to be forgotten is that what is happening in Islamic world now has been done by Christians too - although perhaps in a bit more "formal" manner. One example is genocide of Cathars (Catharism in Wiki) by order of Pope Innocent III (ironic name isn't it?). Islam is not alone with extreme "solutions" into "issues" such as others disagreeing with you...

mapuc · 08-10-14, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

What seems to be forgotten is that what is happening in Islamic world now has been done by Christians too - although perhaps in a bit more "formal" manner. One example is genocide of Cathars (Catharism in Wiki) by order of Pope Innocent III (ironic name isn't it?). Islam is not alone with extreme "solutions" into "issues" such as others disagreeing with you...

You know, when reading about islam and the way the act and treat others it is like reading our own history of the Christianity.

would a court jester in the 12th or 13th century, making fun of Jesus, Christianity or the church this would lead to ....

Should a Muslim troubadour do the same today, make fun of his religion a.s.o it would lead to....

Markus

Schroeder · 08-10-14, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

What seems to be forgotten is that what is happening in Islamic world now has been done by Christians too -

So? Whats your point? We've been idiots so let them be idiots too?

kraznyi_oktjabr · 08-10-14, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

So? Whats your point? We've been idiots so let them be idiots too?

I just reminded that violence justified with religion is not unique to Islam. It should not be tolerated - nor did I say so - but unfortunately I don't have feasible plan on how to fix this problem. Do you?

Schroeder · 08-10-14, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

I just reminded that violence justified with religion is not unique to Islam. It should not be tolerated - nor did I say so - but unfortunately I don't have feasible plan on how to fix this problem. Do you?

Apart from shooting every IS guy on sight? No. I know it doesn't work properly but doing nothing doesn't work either so I rather see them being wiped out then them wiping out others.

Oberon · 08-10-14, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

Apart from shooting every IS guy on sight? No. I know it doesn't work properly but doing nothing doesn't work either so I rather see them being wiped out then them wiping out others.

The key factor is target identification. Militants don't wear uniforms.
The approach to solving his problem seems to vary from "aim twice, shoot once" to "EXTERMINATE ALL MUSLIMS!!!111oneoneone".

Aktungbby · 08-10-14, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

What seems to be forgotten is that what is happening in Islamic world now has been done by Christians too - although perhaps in a bit more "formal" manner. One example is genocide of Cathars (Catharism in Wiki) by order of Pope Innocent III (ironic name isn't it?). Islam is not alone with extreme "solutions" into "issues" such as others disagreeing with you...

And my personal fav!: ol' Vlad the Impaler

-now a multi-million movie

franchise(Dracula) certainly kept the evil Turks out of Wallachia! Estimated 80,000 victims....Nothin' goes outta style...

Not to be outdone in this department: Sir (Captain) John Smith, mercenary to Radu Serban in Wallachia-dueled, killed and beheaded three Turks-(as per his coat of arms)

before moving on to Jamestown and Pocahontas. His Latin motto:"to conquer is to live"?!. Without a little dismemberment...it's safe to say: there's no us!

TarJak · 08-10-14, 04:44 PM

Almost all religions are poisonous and dangerous.

Mainly because they rely on people to stop thinking for themselves.

Islam is no worse than any other version of the same poison.

Religious nutters are simply that. Skybird links yet again to his old chestnut of christian anti Islamic propaganda.

If actually read, right through, the so called holy books of all 3 judaic rooted religions have pretty much equal calls to violence as they do peace.

It's almost always the selective abuse of these texts that cause people to either claim right in their thinking or actions. Mostly when it relates to killing people of one or both of the other two.

Oberon · 08-10-14, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

Almost all religions are poisonous and dangerous.

Ideologies too.

mapuc · 08-10-14, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

Almost all religions are poisonous and dangerous.

Mainly because they rely on people to stop thinking for themselves.

Islam is no worse than any other version of the same poison.

Religious nutters are simply that. Skybird links yet again to his old chestnut of christian anti Islamic propaganda.

If actually read, right through, the so called holy books of all 3 judaic rooted religions have pretty much equal calls to violence as they do peace.

It's almost always the selective abuse of these texts that cause people to either claim right in their thinking or actions. Mostly when it relates to killing people of one or both of the other two.

Couldn't have said it better my self.
Edit
So far 15 young men from Denmark have died in the Syrian civil war, were they radical? No not from the beginning, they were born I Denmark, went to public school, had an education and spoke Danish fluently, how did they became radical? the Danish intelligent service(PET) think that they became brainwashed by some imam at some mosque.

Markus

TarJak · 08-10-14, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Ideologies too.

Oh yes. Possibly more so.

Feuer Frei! · 08-10-14, 07:20 PM

@ Oberon

so what's your point about stormfront.org.

You think that organising a crusade against a select group of trash
has something to with a white supremacist website?

Riiiight.

Do you need some images posted here to sway you to see that ISIS are the bad guys?

I can guarantee you that i'd get brigged for posting these images.

A picture exists of a Christian girl, beheaded. It's very clear what's happening here.
A systemic eradication of Christianity.
Genocide.
Nothing new of course.
But becoming more and more prominent.

I use the word crusade as a means to address the genocidal actions of this group.

They must be crushed.

ISIS has conquered all or most of the Christian towns in the north of Iraq and are now only 20 to 40 kilometers from Erbil (Irbil), the Kurdish capital in the north with 1.5 million people, mostly Sunni Muslims but also most of the Christians leaders in Iraq.

The pesh merga needs support. More than what Obama has promised so far.

Raqqa is a prime target.

There is a park in Mosul where they actually beheaded children and put their heads on a stick and have them in the park. More children are getting beheaded, mothers are getting raped and killed and fathers are being hung.

If you liken the crusade against this trash as the rounding up of jews and leaving a white supremacist web address as your answer, then i'll leave you to post more memes.

Because you know, memes are very funny and add so much to a discussion.

‘You understand the silence of your enemies but you don’t understand the silence of your friends."

Buddahaid · 08-10-14, 08:09 PM

I don't think Christianity is an ethnic group, therefore it's not genocide, but I get you're point. The problem is comparing ISIS atrocities to Christian atrocities that occurred hundreds of years ago as if that makes it OK.

TarJak · 08-10-14, 09:00 PM

The problem is tarring all Muslims with the same brush as ISIS. ISIS = bad, Muslim = Not all bad, Christian = Not all bad, KKK=Bad. Simples?

Buddahaid · 08-10-14, 09:17 PM

ISIS just needs a football team to rally behind and a good senseless TV show to watch after dinner followed by a good kip.

08-10-14, 07:20 PM	#57
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	@ Oberon so what's your point about stormfront.org. You think that organising a crusade against a select group of trash has something to with a white supremacist website? Riiiight. Do you need some images posted here to sway you to see that ISIS are the bad guys? I can guarantee you that i'd get brigged for posting these images. A picture exists of a Christian girl, beheaded. It's very clear what's happening here. A systemic eradication of Christianity. Genocide. Nothing new of course. But becoming more and more prominent. I use the word crusade as a means to address the genocidal actions of this group. They must be crushed. ISIS has conquered all or most of the Christian towns in the north of Iraq and are now only 20 to 40 kilometers from Erbil (Irbil), the Kurdish capital in the north with 1.5 million people, mostly Sunni Muslims but also most of the Christians leaders in Iraq. The pesh merga needs support. More than what Obama has promised so far. Raqqa is a prime target. There is a park in Mosul where they actually beheaded children and put their heads on a stick and have them in the park. More children are getting beheaded, mothers are getting raped and killed and fathers are being hung. If you liken the crusade against this trash as the rounding up of jews and leaving a white supremacist web address as your answer, then i'll leave you to post more memes. Because you know, memes are very funny and add so much to a discussion. ‘You understand the silence of your enemies but you don’t understand the silence of your friends." __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

08-10-14, 08:09 PM	#58
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,332 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	I don't think Christianity is an ethnic group, therefore it's not genocide, but I get you're point. The problem is comparing ISIS atrocities to Christian atrocities that occurred hundreds of years ago as if that makes it OK. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

08-10-14, 09:17 PM	#60
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,332 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	ISIS just needs a football team to rally behind and a good senseless TV show to watch after dinner followed by a good kip. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

08-10-14, 04:44 PM	#53
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Almost all religions are poisonous and dangerous. Mainly because they rely on people to stop thinking for themselves. Islam is no worse than any other version of the same poison. Religious nutters are simply that. Skybird links yet again to his old chestnut of christian anti Islamic propaganda. If actually read, right through, the so called holy books of all 3 judaic rooted religions have pretty much equal calls to violence as they do peace. It's almost always the selective abuse of these texts that cause people to either claim right in their thinking or actions. Mostly when it relates to killing people of one or both of the other two.

08-10-14, 09:00 PM	#59
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	The problem is tarring all Muslims with the same brush as ISIS. ISIS = bad, Muslim = Not all bad, Christian = Not all bad, KKK=Bad. Simples?