What if we had stood united with Hitler against Russia......

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by CCIP

This isn't to suggest any love for the Soviet regime. This is merely to explain why ideology has nothing to do with the fact that the choice between Hitler and Stalin for the Soviets was "no freedom; death almost certain" vs "no freedom; death somewhat likely" :hmm:

Ahhh here is one thing that I don't think anyone got (at least no one in my high school economics class got) about Fascism. There are four socioeconomic systems, Capitalism (Democratic Government/Free Market Ex. USA), Democratic Socialism (Democratic Government/Free Market with Government controls Ex. Most of Western Europe today), Communism (Dictatorship/State Run Market Ex. CCCP), and last but not least Fascism (Dictatorship/Free Market Ex. Nazi Germany). No one in my class understood that (they all stared blankly at the teacher when he asked what is this fourth system he described was, I then remembered Messerschmitt, and Volkswagen they were companies not government run design bureaus like MiG or Sukoi and said "Fascism" with a smile of satisfaction.) So the point is there were freedoms under Hitler, they weren’t (to paraphrase the US Declaration of Independence) Life and Liberty but you could pursue Happiness… unless you were Jewish… or Gay… or Mentally Impaired… or etc.

Newsflash #4: in the real world, most people would prefer life under the worst of regimes to no life at all.

"Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
-Patrick Henry, Speech in Virginia Convention, Richmond (March 23, 1775)