Obama- Billions for Immigration

[Peter Cremer]

How do these "kids" get all the way from Mexico's southern border to the northern border without being found by the Mexican authorities and stopped. It's easy, they are helped all the way by the Mexican authorities.

Think about this: When all these 50,000-100,000, or whatever, kids are made American citizens they will live here, grow up here, and when they are of a legal age they will import all there relatives to this country. Why else do you think their parents send them here?

The American tax payer is footing the bill for all this crap. Why doesn't the government demand payment for all that is being spent from the countries that are sending their trash here. If we are paying these countries billions each year for them to be our "friend", why don't we just deduct what it costs us to take care of their little invaders?

People from all over the world just walk into this country and we do nothing about it but talk.

And the NSA can kiss my ass!

[Wolferz]

Originally Posted by Peter Cremer

How do these "kids" get all the way from Mexico's southern border to the northern border without being found by the Mexican authorities and stopped. It's easy, they are helped all the way by the Mexican authorities.

Think about this: When all these 50,000-100,000, or whatever, kids are made American citizens they will live here, grow up here, and when they are of a legal age they will import all there relatives to this country. Why else do you think their parents send them here?

The American tax payer is footing the bill for all this crap. Why doesn't the government demand payment for all that is being spent from the countries that are sending their trash here. If we are paying these countries billions each year for them to be our "friend", why don't we just deduct what it costs us to take care of their little invaders?

People from all over the world just walk into this country and we do nothing about it but talk.

And the NSA can kiss my ass!

Blame it on the French for giving us that stupid statue. Then load all them little border hopping buggas onto a cargo ship and expel them on the beaches of Normandy, marked no return.

[Armistead]

Watching news tonight of all those dying, ranchers finding dead bodies on their private property of children. This really shows how irresponsible Obama is making the statements that started the mass flow into America.
Just about votes for the Dems later on.

As for indians, maybe they got here first across the land bridge, but they were fighting and killing each other before we got here, we just ended up winning the fight.

Secured borders are needed for numerous reasons, drugs, terror, diseases, gangs, etc...but it seems liberals would just like everyone to come on over. I asl liberals...why any border protection if it's about letting people come in to improve their lives?

Secured borders are needed for numerous reasons, drugs, terror, diseases, gangs, etc...but it seems liberals would just like everyone to come on over. I asl liberals...why any border protection if it's about letting people come in to improve their lives?

And if you ask the conservatives its all about cheap labour and letting people come in to improve the profit margin

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

And if you ask the conservatives its all about cheap labour and letting people come in to improve the profit margin

Yea, but that was only up to point they couldn't vote or become citizens.

And I assure you, I have numerous rich customers in the old country club neighborhoods that complain about immigration while illegals are cutting their grass, maids, painting, etc...

[Wolferz]

It's to be expected since Obama is also an illegal immigrant.

Cue Led Zeppelin music.

[Oberon]

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Peter Cremer

How do these "kids" get all the way from Mexico's southern border to the northern border without being found by the Mexican authorities and stopped. It's easy, they are helped all the way by the Mexican authorities.

Think about this: When all these 50,000-100,000, or whatever, kids are made American citizens they will live here, grow up here, and when they are of a legal age they will import all there relatives to this country. Why else do you think their parents send them here?

The American tax payer is footing the bill for all this crap. Why doesn't the government demand payment for all that is being spent from the countries that are sending their trash here. If we are paying these countries billions each year for them to be our "friend", why don't we just deduct what it costs us to take care of their little invaders?

People from all over the world just walk into this country and we do nothing about it but talk.

Yep. Within 10 years the Hispanics will constitute the key voting block. Good luck keeping control of your country when people from another land just walk in and take over. That's a cue for someone to wittily point out that's how the Anglo Americans took the land away from the Indians and Spanish/Mexicans to become America... and yeah, that's my point.

[nikimcbee]

Here's the fix, take all those bus loads and drive to DC and dump them off at the white house, Pelosi's house, and the bamster's district in Chicago.

[eddie]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Here's the fix, take all those bus loads and drive to DC and dump them off at the white house, Pelosi's house, and the bamster's district in Chicago.

Lets make sure we dump a bunch off at the leading Republican congressmen homes too, along with the high ranking Tea Party members. You know, who I'm talking about, the clowns on the right who just bitch about immigration, but don't do anything about it. Like "Boner" Boehner!, Canter, O'Connell, they just sound like Palin. Run their big mouths, but do absolutely nothing.

I'm not sure I understand your question, so my response may be totally wrong. Obviously, the culture and identity of a country is determined by its people. Since its founding, the US has been basically a Euro-derived people. As it stands, the US is quickly on its way to becoming a Hispanic nation. Is that bad? Is it good? Is it immaterial? Well, consider this: the people who are illegally entering the country are coming from countries where Hispanics are the majority, where they have their own government and culture, and they are leaving en masse. So, when the US becomes Mexico II, think it will be any better over the long term?

That would make sense if Hispanics were not defined as deriving from Hispania which is of course in Europe.

You just prove my point. Tito failed. He did not delete the underlying identities, he tried, and he couldn't. After Tito was gone, they broke their way once again.

Or look at the Ukrainian conflict - the same. Stalin moved people by the millions. Millions died, huge resettlement projects throughout the Soviet Union. Suppression of Muslim republics in the south. Then, the USSR gone - and eruption of multiple conflicts.

Look at the artificial border-drawing by Western imperialists in the ME, the states formed that way, where beliefs and tribes got stuffed together that do not go well together. The whole region is a powderkeg. You remove the dictator that held the lid on the kettle by raw power - and the thing exploded imemdiately.

Look at the 70 years of sleeping of Islam in Turkey, where Attaturk tried to overcome traditional Islam and form a modern, Western society. Erdioghan took less than one decade to end that experiment and reverse it. Turkey is on its way back into the pre-Attaturk era. Conservative Islam was never gone - it was suppressed, so it pulled back and rested some decades, and now its back in full force.

You cannot change historically grown identities of regions and people by power and force and pressure.

The EU doing it now - it will terribly backfire one day. If you think the days of war are over in Europe, then you are wrong.

Whereas that makes no sense.
What you ascribe as a problem of federated super states like the applies equally to nation states of all sizes, extends to county city and town level and even fits little villages or tiny hamlets

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Yep. Within 10 years the Hispanics will constitute the key voting block. Good luck keeping control of your country when people from another land just walk in and take over. That's a cue for someone to wittily point out that's how the Anglo Americans took the land away from the Indians and Spanish/Mexicans to become America... and yeah, that's my point.

Well you have certainly learned well from your English cousins

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Yep. Within 10 years the Hispanics will constitute the key voting block. Good luck keeping control of your country when people from another land just walk in and take over. That's a cue for someone to wittily point out that's how the Anglo Americans took the land away from the Indians and Spanish/Mexicans to become America... and yeah, that's my point.

Talk about long awaited vengeance...I have underestimated Mexicos long game...

[Skybird]

United
Socialism of
America.

Thats what it is about, even if it sounds like cliché - it is no cliché, but socialist ideology. Delete historically grown identity and deny its existence, by that make rum to fill the void with socialist collectivism and the ideal new socialist man. The EU does exactly the same in Europe, by trying to delete regional differences more and more, habits and characteristics, and demanding that all regions shall run by the same rules, no matter whether said rules make sense in all regions. But the similarity between people on the Balkan and in the Baltic are not going much beyond phonetic similarities.

What is done in the US and the EU, compares to what Stalin did in the Soviet Union, and Tito in Yugoslavia: deleting ethnic and national characteristics of people, and replacing them with the monocultural homo sovieticus, or the Yugoslav uni-identity man.

See how they ended, learn from it. Conflict, hostility, war. Thats what happens when you force together what does not match, and deny people the right to live by their own identity feeling.

Admitted, that is more important for Europe than the Us, since the US is basing on a totally different historic path of origin, being founded not by ethnic and national identity, but migration in the first. Still, the US has since long started to copy EU ways of thinking, and has turned socialist to a degree one would not have imagined possible just some decades ago.

The destruction of the institution of "family" also plays a role here.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Thats what happens when you force together what does not match, and deny people the right to live by their own identity feeling.

So immigrants cannot live by their own identity feeling, but residents can? When does an immigrant become a resident? What is an identity feeling?