Bowe Bergdahl

August · 06-10-14, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertion#Iraq_War

Beware of using Wiki, I seem to remember some Brit guy saying that.

If you look at the referenced sources to that wiki article it's just some civilian media articles, no actual Pentagon report to back them up is listed. What they're probably doing is lumping awol soldiers in with actual deserters to inflate the numbers, not unlikely given the politics of the time. Just look at the dates of the articles referenced. I don't think Armistead advocates executing every young GI who comes back a day or three late from a weekend pass.

06-10-14, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Beware of using Wiki, I seem to remember some Brit guy saying that.

If you look at the referenced sources to that wiki article it's just some civilian media articles, no actual Pentagon report to back them up is listed. What they're probably doing is lumping awol soldiers in with actual deserters to inflate the numbers, not unlikely given the politics of the time. Just look at the dates of the articles referenced. I don't think Armistead advocates executing every young GI who comes back a day or three late from a weekend pass.

What you need to do before you make such claims is explore the links.
When you get to the DoD supplied figures you will note that it only includes those that are administratively categorised as deserters.
You will also find it explains the difference between deserters and AWOL, why the cut off date for that categorisation is used for administrative purposes and how the military justice system shifts the burden of proof at that cut off date for any future trial.

Seems quite comprehensive really.

Beware of Wiki without checking the links, but beware of writing off wiki and rubbishing the links without exploring all the links.

Wolferz · 06-12-14, 08:24 AM

http://news.msn.com/us/bergdahl-was-...ned-the-army-1

It seems that Sgt Bergdahl had problems even before he joined the army and at the time, the recruitment standards set the bar pretty low.

Oberon · 06-12-14, 11:09 AM

Well, you need the manpower, and if people aren't joining up like they used to then you need to set the bar lower to get those that do who would otherwise be turned away.

Also, you guys make the mistake of hiring people instead of T-800s, people sometimes don't work as they're supposed to.

Wolferz · 06-12-14, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Well, you need the manpower, and if people aren't joining up like they used to then you need to set the bar lower to get those that do who would otherwise be turned away.

Also, you guys make the mistake of hiring people instead of T-800s, people sometimes don't work as they're supposed to.

I'll be back.

06-12-14, 07:04 PM

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I'll be back.

Yes, but how many Taliban will have to be exchanged to bring you back?

Oberon · 06-12-14, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yes, but how many Taliban will have to be exchanged to bring you back?

Where is Mohammad Con-al-din?

06-12-14, 08:24 AM	#3
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06-12-14, 11:09 AM	#4
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Well, you need the manpower, and if people aren't joining up like they used to then you need to set the bar lower to get those that do who would otherwise be turned away. Also, you guys make the mistake of hiring people instead of T-800s, people sometimes don't work as they're supposed to.