Huge pro-EU rally grips Ukraine

[Catfish]

I'm not sure i understand you ?

I am sorry but France was at arms all along still after WW2, since Indo-China, Korea, Algeria, all over Africa. Not to mention interventions by the Légion Etrangère.

So you think anyone wants to attack France, where its homeland lies ? Through Germany ? By sea ?
I think not.

[MGR1]

Meanwhile, back in Ukraine, they vote in a pro-EU President whilst the people of Europe are voting no to the EU.

Ukraine has no luck.....

Mike.

[TarJak]

And he launches air strikes against the separate oats:http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-0...atists/5479530

Way to settle things peacefully.

[MGR1]

Willy Wonkavich speak with forked tongue.....

Mike.

[August]

Originally Posted by Alex

Conclusion : a few months ago, a few thousands people paid by the CIA drove Yanukovich from power

You can't seriously believe this, do you?

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by August

You can't seriously believe this, do you?

He's not the only one. From what I've seen on various other forums across the 'Net he's not unique in that belief.

Edit: Quite a few are American - usually from amongst Obama's "detractors".

Mike.

[August]

Originally Posted by MGR1

He's not the only one. From what I've seen on various other forums across the 'Net he's not unique in that belief.

Mike.

Amazing that anyone would swallow such crude propaganda.

[August]

Originally Posted by MGR1

Edit: Quite a few are American - usually from amongst Obama's "detractors".

That's even harder to believe. I'd say most conservatives would think Obama is far too incompetent for such Machiavellian schemes especially on such a large scale.

More to the point, what would be his motivation? It's not like he gives a hoot about NATO.

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by August

That's even harder to believe. I'd say most conservatives would think Obama is far too incompetent for such Machiavellian schemes especially on such a large scale.

More to the point, what would be his motivation? It's not like he gives a hoot about NATO.

Unfortunately I can't isolate the individual posts due to the forum structure, but have a wade through this:

http://forums.davidweber.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5252

The poster "namelessfly" is the one to pay attention to. He's a Palin-obsessed Christian-Right TEA Party Republican Neo-Isolationist from Oregon. Oh, and Tenshinai as well, though he's Swedish.

Mike.

[August]

Originally Posted by MGR1

The poster "namelessfly" is the one to pay attention to. He's a Palin-obsessed Christian-Right TEA Party Republican Neo-Isolationist from Oregon. Oh, and Tenshinai as well, though he's Swedish.

I checked it out. Obvious troll is rather obvious wouldn't you say?

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by August

I checked it out. Obvious troll is rather obvious wouldn't you say?

Oh, yes - ever so slightly!

Mike.

Originally Posted by August

You can't seriously believe this, do you?

Compared to his usual global conspiracy theories that one is quite mild.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by August

Amazing that anyone would swallow such crude propaganda.

It's easy to swallow stuff you want to believe.
Some people will blame everything on the people they dislike.

[Jimbuna]

The Ukraine government have retaken Donetsk Airport.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27584718

[Dmitry Markov]

Originally Posted by Alex

Conclusion : a few months ago, a few thousands people paid by the CIA drove Yanukovich from power, who was an elected president both pro-Europe and a friend of Putin... We might as well say the one in power now is a new Yanukovich who's going to try to remain at peace with Russia while doing the necessary to get his country integrated in the EU being into its actual status/final days, Ukraine being the poorest country in eastern Europe, heavily in debt, waiting for Germany to bail it out of its problems.

Actually, there weren't thousands - during the active phase there were "only" about 600 or 800 trained hitmen directly on Maidan - the ones who were burning Berkut officers and administration buildings. So it could be possible to pay them even from depleting purse of the CIA.
Personally, I don't think CIA directly sponsored (read: gave money) this coup d'etats - Poroshenko and Kolomoisky did. Although if we take into account some circumstances like: regular visits of Brennan in Kiev, the whole 5-th floor of Ukrainian Security Service building being occupied by CIA "consultants" (sounds very Southern Vietnam-like doesn't it?), Biden's son being promoted as member of Director Council in Ukrainian oil company - all this may lead a person to some conclusions...

As for Poroshenko - don't know how can he want " to normalize relations with Russia in three months" calling airstrikes and artillery on people in Donetsk, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk? Or he thinks all that we care for are our gas money that Ukraine doesn't pay - and if he pays everything would be OK? (Although I don't reject the possibility that our government can make such a deal - but in this case the support of people it has now would vanish)

I don't think there could be any "normalization" untill Kiev withdraws Nazi-Guards (as people in South-East or Novorossia call Kiev's forces) and army.

All that IMHO of course.