“We gave you three days to recant but you insist on not returning to Islam"

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

Have the evil Muslims offed this lady yet? They might be timid about making her a martyr. It might be counter productive to their convert or die message.

Besides, what will they do after wiping out all the infidels?...
Go back to killing their own of course.

Peace under the flag of Islam means there cannot be peace as long as beside the House of Islam there is the still existing the House of War, which means any infidel place not converted to Islam. The mere existence of anything not Islamic is a provocation and an unforgiving offence to Allah and islam. Overwhelming it and either make it converting, or wiping it out, is divine obligation for every male Muslims (there is no free choice of conscience in that for male Muslims). Muslims not agreeing with that and showing more tolerance for sure - are heretics and/or apostates, they either u-turn, or are to be killed. There are no lasting peace deals to be made, Muhammad ordered, demanding only short lasting peace deals to be made, for there should only be cease fires lasting as long as is needed to "regroup" and form up the power to crush the infidel by breeding a new generation of warriors. The role of the Muslim male is to fight in this jihad, the role of Muslim women is to breed and give birth to more warriors. The first are cannon fodder, the latter are life stock.

Nazi Germany had the same role models for males and females.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by August

That's true. She could very possibly be canonized as a Saint if she remains true to her faith.

Fat lot of good that will do her. Unless of course you believe she will gain some sort of advantage in a place where nothing ever happens.

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Fat lot of good that will do her. Unless of course you believe she will gain some sort of advantage in a place where nothing ever happens.

They have put a 2 year stay on the execution so she can give birth and bring up the baby before they kill her.

I imagine in a hardline Islamic court this is what passes for leniency.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Dread Knot

They have put a 2 year stay on the execution so she can give birth and bring up the baby before they kill her.

I imagine in a hardline Islamic court this is what passes for leniency.

Chances are a new government and a different interpretation on the offence will come about before then...I certainly hope so for her sake.

[Betonov]

They're sweating her into submission.
She gives birth, becomes attached to the child, converts to avoid loosing him/her.
A mothers bond to her child is more powerful than a deity.

[Skybird]

There was a law case her ein Germany some time ago. I only flew over the news occasionally. It was about a young Muslim woman, 18 or 19, who had been seriously beaten up and raped by her "friend". State attorney sued the perpetrator. Girld said she would report before the court what happened. During the court sessions, on the day the was about to give her witness report, the girl suddenly surprised everybody by saying that the two one day ago got married, and that she now claims the right to not confess to the disadvantage of her newly appointed husband.

The deal was arranged by one of these freaking damn freedom judges that Islam knows, and that get tolerated in Germany although they bypass the legal system, hinder police work and victim protection, erode the law and the authority of courts and law enforcment, and help to entrench the parallel society of non-integrating Muslim colonists even deeper.

Praised be Allah, that the girl "voluntarily" saw her misdeed and regretted it, for man may deceive man, but the greatest deceiver of all is Allah! Hallelujah!

[mapuc]

You are right most Muslim don't really live by their book Quran

They are or should I say they do have great fear of their Imam

The power an Imam has on his group is huge, you will not find any Muslim, moderate or radical, that would either ignore or answer back in a bad manner to an Imam when he is giving a Muslim an order or whatever it may be.

The same power had our own priest many decades ago. I know this from my Grandma who told me when I was teen, how her mom(Don't know what she is to me) it was with respect and fear when you met your local priest....today.....


Markus

[Wolferz]

The power of the holy men exposed.

I'll do my worshiping without their help thank you very much.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Chances are a new government and a different interpretation on the offence will come about before then...I certainly hope so for her sake.

even though this article from the state department is nine (9) years old it should help us understand the plight this poor lady is going through:

http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41731.htm

Saudi Arabia is a monarchy without elected representative institutions or political parties. King Fahd bin Abd Al-Aziz Al Saud suffered a stroke in 1995, and Crown Prince Abdullah has been the de facto ruler since that time. As custodian of Islam's two holiest sites in Mecca and Medina, the Government bases its legitimacy on governance according to Islamic law (Shari'a). The Basic Law sets out the system of government, rights of citizens, powers, and duties of the State, and provides that the Koran and the Traditions (Sunna) of the Prophet Muhammad are the country's Constitution. Neither the Government nor Saudi society, in general, accepts the concept of separation of religion and state. The King serves as Prime Minister and appoints the crown prince. The Crown Prince is First Deputy Prime Minister and heir apparent. The appointed Majlis al-Shura debates, rejects, and amends government-proposed legislation, questions some government officials, and has the power to initiate legislation. The Basic Law provides for an independent judiciary; however, some members of the royal family are not required to appear before the courts, and they and their associates have influenced judges.

[Wolferz]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Fat lot of good that will do her. Unless of course you believe she will gain some sort of advantage in a place where nothing ever happens.

They might want to rethink their position or risk finding 72 frigid virgins when they arrive in paradise after blowing themselves up.
Girls talk you know.

[August]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Fat lot of good that will do her. Unless of course you believe she will gain some sort of advantage in a place where nothing ever happens.

How do you know what happens or doesn't?

[Mr Quatro]

Well even though my state department article above was nine (9) years old it seems that Crown Prince Abdullah is still in charge.
He's just going on vacation for a while.

I hope he's not flying in his personal Boeing triple 777

http://www.alriyadh.com/en/article/937386/Royal-Order-Deputizes-Crown-Prince-to-Administer-the-States-Affairs

Abdullah bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, King of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
deputized His Royal Highness, the brother, Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, the Crown Prince to administer the affairs of the State and take care of the interests of the people during our absence outside the Kingdom.'

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by August

How do you know what happens or doesn't?

Other than the descriptions that religions provide, and David Byrne, it's fairly logical that a place where you live forever in a permanent state of bliss with no risk attached to that existence would mean nothing much could be going on.


That and when you die, that's it. You're dead.

[August]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Other than the descriptions that religions provide, and David Byrne, it's fairly logical that a place where you live forever in a permanent state of bliss with no risk attached to that existence would mean nothing much could be going on.


That and when you die, that's it. You're dead.

Well I dunno about you but I have no problem being blissful when I do things, especially things that I find heavenly.

My point however is that for something you claim to know nothing about and don't believe in why do you take such stock in what others have described heaven to be like?

[TarJak]

I don't. My last paragraph is evidence of that. Along with the laws of entropy.