“We gave you three days to recant but you insist on not returning to Islam"

[Feuer Frei!]

This is seriously *expletive.

Sudan on Thursday sentenced a 27-year-old mother to hang for apostasy when she refused to renounce her family and the Christian faith in which she was raised. She is also to receive 100 lashes for adultery beforehand

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[Jimbuna]

Was discussing this with Steve on Skype yesterday.

[AVGWarhawk]

Welcome to civilized society. I wonder if the family member believed it would come to this. I suspect they did. Such a fun loving religion.

According to Amnesty International, she was arrested in August 2013 after a family member reported that she was committing adultery because of her marriage. The charge of apostasy was added the following February, when she said she was Christian.

[Oberon]

That happens, sadly, religion is used as an excuse for all sorts of acts.

The other week Egypt sentenced over 500 people to death for being Muslim and supporters of Morsi. Some 16,000 have been arrested for being Islamists in Egypt since the military retook control.

There's idiocy on both sides of the coin.

[Skybird]

Valid Islamic rule, since all beginning on. Respect it, it is a high civilisation.

[Catfish]

Well if you think how long it too the christian church to say good bye to the inquisition (not voluntarily, of course), and that they forgave Galilei, err, ten years ago (?), we can look forward to the next centuries of the relatively young religion of islamic faith


Regarding the situation in Sudan though, it has always been invaded by arabian tribes since centuries, to collect slaves.
A situation for which b.t.w. the British Empire of those days, is not entireless innocent.
Meanwhile there is a counter-movement though, which the black christians call "arab-shooting", and the radicalism of some christians down there is not far behind radical Islam..

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Well if you think how long it too the christian church to say good bye to the inquisition (not voluntarily, of course), and that they forgave Galilei, err, ten years ago (?), we can look forward to the next centuries of the relatively young religion of islamic faith

They made it all backwards.
They had their age of enlightment before the dark ages.

500years ago we chopped heads of heretics and heathens and they taxed the infidel.
Reverse this time around

[Skybird]

The difference, Betonov, is this. Jesus never preached to behead and discriminate infidels. Muhammad did. The hate and intolerance and barbary of followers of the socalled Christ, is a perverting of his message, the hate and intolerance and barbary of followers of Muhammad is not.

I'm honestly quite sick and tired these days of seeing the barbary of Islamofascism being relativised endlessly, as if that would change anything for the better or would excuse anything.

Strange that this single women catches interest, while the terror of Boko Haram in Nigeria does not even trigger a single yawning.

[Oberon]

[HunterICX]

So? what's so shocking about this that we didn't know already?

Here in Spain the number of cases where husbands are abusing their wives repeatedly for a long period of time with some cases ending up in death has increased alarmlingy and to make matters worse the authorities turn a blind eye to this.
is that any better? No

Religion, Culture, Race, Ideology whatever (insert piss poor excuse here) for the sorry excuse of human waste you are when you commit an act of cruelty to your fellow man.

[Armistead]

I think until we drop religion, we'll never have morality.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I think until we drop human nature, we'll never have morality.

Fixed that for you.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Fixed that for you.

I stand by my statement. Yes, we're failed human beings, much different than choosing to be moral or not based on ideals. Religion misplaces our morality. Most of us can deal with times of human failure and mistakes, but can we deal with ideals that war with one another, dictate to use how we must act or suffer torment here on earth or hell. I think religion is the leading cause of narcissism.

We can certainly be moral and loving without it..

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I stand by my statement. Yes, we're failed human beings, much different than choosing to be moral or not based on ideals. Religion misplaces our morality. Most of us can deal with times of human failure and mistakes, but can we deal with ideals that war with one another, dictate to use how we must act or suffer torment here on earth or hell. I think religion is the leading cause of narcissism.

We can certainly be moral and loving without it..

A leading cause maybe, but I don't think the leading cause. If we got rid of religion, then we'd replace it with something else to discriminate with, skin colour, sexual orientation, genetic make-up, average income. Let's face it, we do it enough already and that's with religion still around.

Certainly, though, in nations with a more religious populace it is aggravated by the use of religion as a shield for violent behaviour and criminal acts. However, in other societies political activism or economic success can be used as a shield instead, how many corrupt officials get away with crime because of having money to bribe their way out of it, or because they're an influential politician?

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Oberon

A leading cause maybe, but I don't think the leading cause. If we got rid of religion, then we'd replace it with something else to discriminate with, skin colour, sexual orientation, genetic make-up, average income. Let's face it, we do it enough already and that's with religion still around.

Certainly, though, in nations with a more religious populace it is aggravated by the use of religion as a shield for violent behaviour and criminal acts. However, in other societies political activism or economic success can be used as a shield instead, how many corrupt officials get away with crime because of having money to bribe their way out of it, or because they're an influential politician?

I don't think so, not if we educate people. Yes, we use other systems, but often the leader or state become divine, causing much of the same problems. I do agree we would still battle over social issues, but common sense is more likely to prevail if the ideals being pushed aren't divine.

Adding, the 3 major religions all believe in an apocalyptic ending. To this very day it is the reason for most war and suffering. Nations base policy over land on the bible/koran and people die by the 1000's daily. We should rather be focusing on how to progress and save humanity, not expect the end and keep preparing for it. I think it's a case because so many believe it is true, they're intent to make it come true.