The next logical step?

[swamprat69er]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Well it does prove that at the end of the day it is all about pulling tax revenue.

AKA raping the public.
We pay tax on the vehicle, tax on the fuel it burns, tax on the oil for oil changes, tax on the labour for the oil change, tax on every part we put on the vehicle, Income tax, and on and on. Every 7.6 cents we spend gets taxed.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by swamprat69er

AKA raping the public.
We pay tax on the vehicle, tax on the fuel it burns, tax on the oil for oil changes, tax on the labour for the oil change, tax on every part we put on the vehicle, Income tax, and on and on. Every 7.6 cents we spend gets taxed.

Good point....I'd love to see how many times a £ is taxed before the revenue reaches the treasury here in the UK.

[Wolferz]

Originally Posted by swamprat69er

A chip in your license plate validation sticker would probably work for the GPS tracking. Up here you have to put down the number of kilometers on your odometer when you buy your new sticker.

We are required to do the same thing here in Pennsylvania. I have no clue why. We aren't taxed on mileage...yet. Maybe it's used as a reference for selling a used vehicle to make sure the odometer wasn't turned back. But, it's still based on the honesty principle and there's no guarantee that every car owner will be honest about it.
Your vehicle mileage could be tracked through your I-phone or similar GPS location device. It's technically an NSA wet dream to be able to track everyone's movement from point A to point B. When they discover that this method won't be 100% reliable, then they'll go for the grain of rice sized RFID chip implantation idea. Selling it as the ultimate prevention of identity theft and fraud prevention. The sheeple will take the bait hook, line and sinker to the point of demanding it. Tied to your bank account and every form of buying and selling, the governments will take total control of your life THX 1138 style. When you get out of line, all they need to do is deactivate the thing and you're screwed royally.
Drink your Kool-Aid and welcome to the apocalypse bby.

[swamprat69er]

Here when selling a vehicle either the seller or the buyer is required to get a 'used vehicle package' from the DoT/MoT and that package will tell you how many owners said vehicle has had and what accidents it has been in and whether or not it has been written off. I think that is where the mileage thing comes into play.
It is also illegal to disconnect the odometer or to spin it backwards. That isn't to say that it doesn't get done. It is just illegal to do it.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

And just how would they know how many miles driven without having tracking devices on all cars? And what would that cost? Own a car without a device and be a criminal?

How will this get sold to the public as a good idea? I would hazard a guess that oil consumption is still strong due to more and more cars on the road. I haven't noticed any decline in traffic ever.

This just can't fly.

Isn't solution logical? Install that GPS tracking chip into the citizen's skull! Walk a mile pay a dime!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by swamprat69er

AKA raping the public.
We pay tax on the vehicle, tax on the fuel it burns, tax on the oil for oil changes, tax on the labour for the oil change, tax on every part we put on the vehicle, Income tax, and on and on. Every 7.6 cents we spend gets taxed.

And...if you sell the car you are taxed again. And how can the be when tax was paid on the first sale? Double dip!

[swamprat69er]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

And...if you sell the car you are taxed again. And how can the be when tax was paid on the first sale? Double dip!

Way back when I went to school we were taught that there was no double taxation in Canada. What a crock of Bull Scatterings that was.

[STEED]

The future is...

For a very select few while the rest of the world...

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

This just can't fly.

They will make it fly. For example, here in MD a new "fee" has been mandated by the EPA that has been dubbed the "Rain Tax". Our properties square footage of permeable and impermeable area(roof/driveway) is assessed via satellite. We then are charged per square foot of impermeable ground. Generally about $80.00/year and due to increase over time. This money is to be used to "save" the Chesapeake Bay by upgrading and creating new means of filtering the rain water. With that said, the per mile tax in CA could be mandated to "save" the air! The money will go to study and advancement of green fuels! Don't you feel "good" now? Certainly the monies collected he in MD for the Rain Tax will be pissed away on some pet project and bay clean up will never see any of it. The same is said of the casino revenues. It simply vanishes and then a tax is increased to cover what is missing.

I'm doing my best to persuade my wife that retiring in Maryland is a bad idea. We are raped and taxed to death. And it is BS ideas like this that make it that way.

[swamprat69er]

So, if I understand your post correctly, MD is saying that the rain that falls on an impermeable object doesn't land on the ground? That doesn't make sense to me. The rain runs off the roof, it has to land on the ground.
I agree, the monies gained from this tax will go into a 'pet project' or someones' pocket.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by swamprat69er

So, if I understand your post correctly, MD is saying that the rain that falls on an impermeable object doesn't land on the ground? That doesn't make sense to me. The rain runs off the roof, it has to land on the ground.
I agree, the monies gained from this tax will go into a 'pet project' or someones' pocket.

Correct, the roof and driveway are impermeable per their(EPA) definition. Now, imagine if you would that you own a mall. The parking lot is 8 acres. This is impermeable surface according to the EPA. The surface does not absorb and filter water. The fee is in the tens of thousands. Maryland is and never was friendly to business owners. This is why business has flocked to other more reasonable states. And to add, churches are exempt from the fee. I guess they have some sort of heart. Maryland is slowly becoming a state that survives on the ports and government as DC is surround by much of Maryland. Furthermore, surrounding states are helping little with the fee and clean up. The Susquehannah River flows from PA into the Chesapeake Bay. Every severe rain fall gobs of trash and filth flow into the bay via the Susquehannah River.

[swamprat69er]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Correct, the roof and driveway are impermeable per their(EPA) definition. Now, imagine if you would that you own a mall. The parking lot is 8 acres. This is impermeable surface according to the EPA. The surface does not absorb and filter water. The fee is in the tens of thousands. Maryland is and never was friendly to business owners. This is why business has flocked to other more reasonable states. And to add, churches are exempt from the fee. I guess they have some sort of heart. Maryland is slowly becoming a state that survives on the ports and government as DC is surround by much of Maryland. Furthermore, surrounding states are helping little with the fee and clean up. The Susquehannah River flows from PA into the Chesapeake Bay. Every severe rain fall gobs of trash and filth flow into the bay via the Susquehannah River.

PA takes a dump in the Susquehanna and everybody in MD pays for it.
About time you moved to Kentucky isn't it?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by swamprat69er

PA takes a dump in the Susquehanna and everybody in MD pays for it.
About time you moved to Kentucky isn't it?

Just need to convince the wife. She wants to stay close were her family lives. You know, the ones that show up on the holiday's only, eat your food, clean out the liquor cabinet and then do a burn out on your lawn as they leave for the evening.

[Aktungbby]

The old expression :"People vote with their feet" has gone by the boards. Due to the miserable decisions and instability of government at every level, excess taxation and fiscal uncertainty being prominent, we vote in the bedroom too and that is serious! A defacto worldwide rebellion: If'n we don't like how we are governed, we'll create fewer people to be governed: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/05/07/5008758/fear-of-economic-blow-as-births.html "Growth in the working-age population has halted in developed countries overall. Even in France and the United Kingdom, with relatively healthy birth rates, growth in the labor pool has slowed dramatically. In Japan, Germany and Italy, the labor pool is shrinking.
"It's like health — you only realize it exists until you don't have it," says Alejandro Macarron Larumbe of Demographic Renaissance, a think tank in Madrid.
The drop in birth rates is rooted in the 1960s, when many women entered the workforce for the first time and couples decided to have smaller families. Births did begin rising in many countries in the new millennium. But then the financial crisis struck. Stocks and home values plummeted, blowing a hole in household finances, and tens of millions of people lost jobs. Many couples delayed having children or decided to have none at all.
Couples in the world's five biggest developed economies — the United States, Japan, Germany, France and the United Kingdom — had 350,000 fewer babies in 2012 than in 2008, a drop of nearly 5 percent. The United Nations forecasts that women in those countries will have an average 1.7 children in their lifetimes. Demographers say the fertility rate needs to reach 2.1 just to replace people dying and keep populations constant.
The effects on economies, personal wealth and living standards are far reaching:" In short, IMHO, without a steady stream of willing thralls to mindlessly "feed Val" the 'paper money machine' will collapse of it's own dead weight. Bin Laden, prior to his demise, described the American economy as a 'paper tiger'-it appears to be losing its crew!

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm ok with those statistics concerning births to deaths. The mud ball is overpopulated anyway.