Categories of war?

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Nah, he meant a war where both sides take the mickey out of each other remorselessly until one side is victorious.

Now there's a special category for Subsim GT threads.

[Jimbuna]

No mention of the Cod War.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

No mention of the Cod War.

Fishing for compliments oh Codfather?

[banryu79]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

No mention of the Cod War.

Cod as in Call Of Duty?

[LoBlo]

Originally Posted by Platapus

One thing to keep in mind is that the term "war" has at least three separate meanings.

1. War is a legal state. In the US only congress can declare war. War, in this context is a dichotomous state. The US is either in a state of war, or it ain't. There are many laws that will change when the country is in a legal state of war. This is one of the many reasons why the US has not declared a legal state of war since 1942 when we declared war on Romania.

2. War is a practical state. When people of an opposing country's military are shootin at you, you is in a war. While legally Vietnam and Korea were not declared wars, ask anyone who was over there and they will rightfully consider themselves in a war. Bullets hurt just as bad in a war as they do in a police action.

3. War is a state of national intention. I don't like this meaning, but it is common. War against poverty, war against drugs, war against terrorism, war against ... all indicate, or attempt to indicate some level of national intent. But legally it has no standing unless separate legislation is enacted by congress.

Then we have Operations Other Than War (OOTW) which is just like it reads. It is shootin at people without a formal declaration of war. Usually such euphemistic terms as "authorized military action" are used. The key to OOTW is whether congress authorizes funding. Sometimes they do and some times they don't.

The first gulf war, the military conflict in Afghanistan, and the invasion of Iraq are all versions of OOTW.

Then we have types of OOTW that are authorized by extra-US governing bodies but still funded by congress. Bosnia, and Haiti as well as Korea are examples of the US being involved in OOTW where the initial authorization came from outside the US but the activities were approved (either formally or de facto) by congressional funding of these OOTW activities.

Finally, there is the messiest type of OOTW - Those authorized by the President of the United States and not approved (either formally or defacto) by Congress. The longest "war" the United States was involved in was a war lasting almost 50 years against some Indian nations. Through out the 19th century and the start of the 20th century the POTUS has played fast and loose with his authority to command the military.

Things, unfortunately, were not made clearer with congress signing the War Powers Act of 1973. Every president since that year has made official statements proclaiming that the president is not bound by the War Powers Act. So far, congress has never taken issue with this to the Supreme Court. So the ability of the president to get the US into a war is fuzzy with significant disagreement between the Executive and Legislative branches. It would be very interesting to see how the Supreme Court would rule on this. I guess either side is afraid of pressing the matter in case the court decides against their opinion.


More then you probably wanted to know about war. huh. good god yall. What is it good for?

For clarity, those predicaments are generally applicable to the USA's political and legal fubar'dness in regards to military conflicts and not necessarily the rest of the world. I guess war as a 'military backed state of intent' rather or not in line with any specific countries legal protocols is the most inclusive definition I can think of off hand.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Fishing for compliments oh Codfather?

Har bloody har

Originally Posted by banryu79

Cod as in Call Of Duty?

The Cod Wars, also called the Icelandic Cod Wars (Icelandic: Þorskastríðin, "the cod war"; or, in Iceland, Landhelgisstríðin, "the war for the territorial waters", were a series of confrontations in the 1950s and 1970s between the United Kingdom and Iceland regarding fishing rights in the North Atlantic. The conflict ended in 1976, when the United Kingdom accepted a 200 nautical-mile Icelandic exclusive fishery zone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars

[Oberon]

Fish and chips, srs bsns.

[Betonov]

-Proxy war

2 sides fighting with the blessing of 2 stronger opponents, that aren't in direct conflict.

[Jimbuna]

Robot Wars

[Betonov]

Junkyard wars

[LoBlo]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

No mention of the Cod War.

The COD war is interesting. I had to read up on it. Doesn't fit precisely into any of the other categories. Similar to a 'warm conflict' (#2), but differs in that rather than involving hand-wielded small arms, the 'small arms' were those of ship-borne guns, ramming, and sabotage (net cutting).

Given that the psychology of limited engagements, posturing, and constraint to force are similar to a warm conflict (both sides claiming self-defense), overall could probably be fit into a modified definition of a 'warm conflict', whereas the pot shots and small arms are to include their ship borne equivalents albeit the resource cost considerably more.

Very interesting indeed and nice reading. Underscores the benefit of a strong navy.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by LoBlo

The COD war is interesting. I had to read up on it. Doesn't fit precisely into any of the other categories. Similar to a 'warm conflict' (#2), but differs in that rather than involving hand-wielded small arms, the 'small arms' were those of ship-borne guns, ramming, and sabotage (net cutting).

Given that the psychology of limited engagements, posturing, and constraint to force are similar to a warm conflict (both sides claiming self-defense), overall could probably be fit into a modified definition of a 'warm conflict', whereas the pot shots and small arms are to include their ship borne equivalents albeit the resource cost considerably more.

Very interesting indeed and nice reading. Underscores the benefit of a strong navy.

Two sides trying to 'batter' each other into submission

[Mittelwaechter]

What about the daily War of the Roses?

USSRs invasion of Afghanistan, USA's frequent military interventions

LOL

[Stealhead]

I disagree with guerrilla war/insurgency: in most every case one side has a notable technological and/or military advantage and one side has a decided disadvantage which brings about the need to fight in a guerrilla/insurgent manner and the other side to attempt to fight a counterinsurgency.

I also disagree with the "over match" this category can not exist if the category of guerrilla war/insurgency is on the same list.

To me a war is a situation where two opposing sides in some manner deal death towards each other with some ends to be gained usually it is land or control of land.There are wars fought on every street in America (or any other nation for that matter).A three way war between gangs and the law for control of territory. One to enforce the the law the others to gain control of turf for the purpose of selling drugs and other illegal products.

[Aktungbby]

^Offset wars and turf wars then!? Ukraine is a good example of both at the present time IMHO.