Hundreds missing as S Korea ferry sinks

[Oberon]

There's also the possibility of the sharp turn causing a dramatic shift of balance in the cargo, leading to the ship listing beyond its safety point and taking on water as a result.

[Platapus]

I guess the crew did not recognize the dangers of....

wait for it.....

wait for it.....

almost there.....

submerged ROKs....

(rimshot)

(crickets chirping)

I will just be sitting down over here in the corner.

[Oberon]

[TarJak]

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

There's also the possibility of the sharp turn causing a dramatic shift of balance in the cargo, leading to the ship listing beyond its safety point and taking on water as a result.

That is my lads considered opinion also...he also said it would not be unusual for a third officer to be at the helm if the plotted course was considered safe and free of potential navigational hazards but a senior officer would also always be either on the bridge or in the ships office which is usually directly behind and adjoining the bridge.

[Jimbuna]

Looks highly unlikely any more survivors will be found now.

South Korean officials have said the recovery operation after Wednesday's ferry disaster may take two months.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27087243

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

That is my lads considered opinion also...he also said it would not be unusual for a third officer to be at the helm if the plotted course was considered safe and free of potential navigational hazards but a senior officer would also always be either on the bridge or in the ships office which is usually directly behind and adjoining the bridge.

Makes you wonder why, junior officer or not, such a radical turn was ordered, the depth under the keel looked to be fine, and it's not the sort of maneuver that you'd make even for stuffs and giggles, not unless you really wanted to be unemployed by the time you reached your destination.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Makes you wonder why, junior officer or not, such a radical turn was ordered, the depth under the keel looked to be fine, and it's not the sort of maneuver that you'd make even for stuffs and giggles, not unless you really wanted to be unemployed by the time you reached your destination.

Agreed...the lowest rank to have a watchkeeping certificate is a third officer so he or she are considered to be qualified and therefore capable of carrying out a bridge watch unsupervised.

Unfortunately my lad informs me their can be a world of difference in the weight said certificates hold and that very much depends on the country of issue regarding level of knowledge, competency and expertise required to pass the examinations.

I'll not post a league table for fear of being accused of bias but it is surprising too see the table toppers and especially those near the bottom.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Agreed...the lowest rank to have a watchkeeping certificate is a third officer so he or she are considered to be qualified and therefore capable of carrying out a bridge watch unsupervised.

Unfortunately my lad informs me their can be a world of difference in the weight said certificates hold and that very much depends on the country of issue regarding level of knowledge, competency and expertise required to pass the examinations.

I'll not post a league table for fear of being accused of bias but it is surprising too see the table toppers and especially those near the bottom.

Understandable. I guess that up until now the good quality of their vessels has hidden some of the more questionable actions of their officers.
Still, even a nub should surely know that if he pulls a turn like that, even if the cargo doesn't destabilise and cause the vessel to go past its 5 degree safety zone, the passengers are going to notice the lean and the sharp turn and questions are going to be asked.
Then again, I'm looking at it from a western point of view, so maybe there was an unknown factor involved. I would have thought if there was a collision hazard then someone would have said so by now, so the only explaination really is the Junior officer either wanting to show off to someone on board (maybe he wanted to give the students a bit of a thrill) or just seeing what it did.

Like the early days of the Costa Concordia, so many questions, not many answers.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Like the early days of the Costa Concordia, so many questions, not many answers.

One major common denominator there...each had a skipper who were not up to the task when the crap hit the fan.

[Jimbuna]

As I feared

The last communications between the South Korean ferry that sank on Wednesday and traffic services reveal panic and indecision by the crew.

In the newly released transcript, a crew member repeatedly asks if there were vessels on hand to rescue passengers if evacuation was ordered.

Details of the panic on the bridge emerged on Sunday, when the coastguard released a transcript of the last communications between the crew and controllers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27096629