Huge pro-EU rally grips Ukraine - Page 59

MH · 04-17-14, 06:36 AM

Look at this this way...
Getting rid of those territories and getting the ex german ones instead is best deal ever for Poland.
Just look at this map...what a mess it is.

Catfish · 04-17-14, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz

[...] every time I read this thread I'm both amazed and ashamed that my country doesn't want to reclaim Lithuania, the other half of Ukraine, Hungary, Moldova, Belarus and a few regions in Russia, Romania and Slovakia.
Historically speaking, they were all Polish at some time in the past. [...]

How about restoring the borders like in, say, 1942 ?

Ok this was a bad joke

Oberon · 04-17-14, 07:59 AM

Well...if we're talking about restoring old borders...

Dread Knot · 04-17-14, 08:11 AM

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Well...if we're talking about restoring old borders...

Even this map has a few of the famous "pink bits" missing. Ceylon...British Honduras...Aden...Palestine...Cyprus.

Skybird · 04-17-14, 08:35 AM

Apples and oranges. 2000 years, 200 years and 20 years, are three very different time frames.

Wikipedia has a nice summary of the history of the changing fate the Ukrainian territory has seen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine

kranz · 04-17-14, 09:25 AM

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Well...if we're talking about restoring old borders...

old borders = having colonies.
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Oberon · 04-17-14, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz

old borders = having colonies.

not

Hey, you try expanding into the sea, only the Dutch are crazy enough to do that.

kranz · 04-17-14, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Hey, you try expanding into the sea, only the Dutch are crazy enough to do that.

I was just trying to say that all of skybird's gibberish about 'Crimea's past' and 'locals being Russian not Ukrainian' is utter and complete BS.

There are a lot of villages in Lithuania in which 80% of inhabitants are Poles.
Have you ever heard of any referenda there? Lithuanians hate Poles as much as Poles hate Lithuanians but there has never been any freaking idea to re-incorporate these lands as it would violate international treaties and whatnot.

All the photos and 'data' he has posted so far to prove that the Russians take what is theirs only probe he's on a mental and intellectual level of a 5yo.

Oberon · 04-17-14, 10:49 AM

I wasn't aware of this Polish-Lithuanian aminosity, I guess that it would date back to the whole second partition of Poland after the 1792 war? I know my great-great-grandmother came from Lithuania but on their census certificates in 1911 it's marked as 'Russian-Poland' and their nationality as 'Russian'.

Jimbuna · 04-17-14, 11:00 AM

The difference between Russia and Poland in reclaiming old territories is more or less down to the fact Russia only respects the international treaties and agreements it likes and has the power to do otherwise almost at will...not that that is correct imo.

Oberon · 04-17-14, 11:05 AM

The old story of 'might makes right', I think most nations have dabbled in that from time to time.

Jimbuna · 04-17-14, 12:36 PM

Britain never did

mapuc · 04-17-14, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey

What states were those?

Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Belarus, oops forgot what the fourth country was. Was something with dova

Markus

Jimbuna · 04-17-14, 12:49 PM

Moldova

mapuc · 04-17-14, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Moldova

It was Moldova.

These four countries is for Putin to take and there will be no reaction from the West.

Markus

04-17-14, 08:35 AM	#875
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,728 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Apples and oranges. 2000 years, 200 years and 20 years, are three very different time frames. Wikipedia has a nice summary of the history of the changing fate the Ukrainian territory has seen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-17-14, 11:00 AM	#880
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,080 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The difference between Russia and Poland in reclaiming old territories is more or less down to the fact Russia only respects the international treaties and agreements it likes and has the power to do otherwise almost at will...not that that is correct imo. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,080 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Britain never did __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,080 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Moldova __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-17-14, 06:36 AM	#871
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	Look at this this way... Getting rid of those territories and getting the ex german ones instead is best deal ever for Poland. Just look at this map...what a mess it is.

04-17-14, 07:59 AM	#873
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Well...if we're talking about restoring old borders...

04-17-14, 10:49 AM	#879
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I wasn't aware of this Polish-Lithuanian aminosity, I guess that it would date back to the whole second partition of Poland after the 1792 war? I know my great-great-grandmother came from Lithuania but on their census certificates in 1911 it's marked as 'Russian-Poland' and their nationality as 'Russian'.

04-17-14, 11:05 AM	#881
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The old story of 'might makes right', I think most nations have dabbled in that from time to time.