Swastikas and Germany in the modern day...

[areo16]

Originally Posted by CCIP

As for national pride, I fail to see what we have to gain by that, because we live in a global world today. National pride and ambition was what led everyone into WWII to begin with, so why suddenly romanticize it?

You have a great point here. Any uniqueness or difference between groups give excuse for people to resort to conflict.


Again for the Germans, are the WW2 veterans treated well? Does the government give the benefits?

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by areo16

Again for the Germans, are the WW2 veterans treated well? Does the government give the benefits?

Veterans are treated like everyone else. They get all the benefits that everyone else gets (so no one has to starve or live under bridges). No special treatment but also not less than any other.

We don't parade them around but that is also nothing they would want (at least those I talked to).

[kranz]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Veterans are treated like everyone else. They get all the benefits that everyone else gets (so no one has to starve or live under bridges). No special treatment but also not less than any other.

not much for the glorious crusade against communism.

[Alex]

@ catfish, CCIP.

Originally Posted by CCIP

I just don't understand what there is to be proud of, besides some tactical successes and individual cameraderie under fire.

Who's talking about war and that **** called swastikas, actually ?
Who's talking about pride on the battlefield ? LOL.
Certainly not myself, I don't care about that in the least, personally I'm constantly looking forward, and will never keep repeating the same thing again and again - that is the principle of the scratched record used to rule over the Earth.

Originally Posted by CCIP

I just don't understand what there is to be proud of, besides some tactical successes and individual cameraderie under fire.

And so you should take a closer look on the economical side of the country at the time. I admit it will be hard : every barrier is in place these days to make you end up thinking the way you do.

Originally Posted by CCIP

As for national pride, I fail to see what we have to gain by that, because we live in a global world today.

Now, regarding nationalism, I'd say I'm in no position to teach a lesson to anyone out there on why it is a good thing, like I do not have enough time to clarify certain historical aspects of the country I live in, so I certainly won't pretend to know anything when it comes to other countries. But you should show more curiosity regarding the concept of nationalism : these days, most people tend to parrot the same opinion when it comes to that stuff, yeah we live on the same big mudball and everyone should hold everyone else's hand in order to overcome all difficulties everywhere, etc.
Basically watching tv makes you think that way. What you get out of this way of thinking, you as an individual, being part of that lowest social class I'm also part of ? I don't know, I don't care, and you know very well that spreading this way of thinking all around won't bring you much more than a little bit of respect from a few people who'll think you're an open-minded guy willing to establish a new world order where no racism will exist, nor any other kind of discrimination.
On the other hand, trumpeting internationalism - and cosmopolitism - values (being new ideas of the french revolution - nothing new here, guys [Tribesman wants me to shut up, I can't say more, sorry]) leaves people without their History, without their roots, without that great sense of sharing a common destiny.

I don't know why only a few care about the way tv is able to dictate what everyone's way of thinking should be, on a global scale, to the point you appear to be a reasonably open-minded guy only if you're a citizen of the world - making no differences between any people, showing how much you can keep your eyes closed on ethnic groups, religions, etc. (is that open-mindedness all in all, really ?) - whether you live in Los Angeles, Reykjavík, Yaoundé or Vladivostok.
But when one gets to notice that the concept of nation is also what the upper social class considers as "the stranglehold that needs to be broken up" (Tribesman certainly knows who I'm talking about here - and no, I'm not an antisomething, dude !), automatically people are supposed to get interested in that subject - and consequently are supposed to end up realizing the nation is the largest entity ever known to this day that is able to stand for the rights of its population, basically.

[MH]

So you are sort of Zionist...that's cool .. cheers.

[Tribesman wants me to shut up, I can't say more, sorry])

Errrrr...... what on earth gave you that idea?
Now it could be said that a sensible person would have shut up, but a sensible person wouldn't hold to that loony ideology you follow, so that comes full circle.
As I said.....to me the best solution for the ideoliogy is to put it right out in plains sight, give it a big platform under a full spotlight and laugh at the idiots and their conspiracies and hatred.
See Alex I want you to keep posting your crazy jewish conspiracies and Nazi ideology so that people can laugh at it for what it is.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Alex

[Tribesman wants me to shut up, I can't say more, sorry

Originally Posted by Tribesman

See Alex I want you to keep posting your crazy jewish conspiracies and Nazi ideology so that people can laugh at it for what it is.

Okay, you've both had your say. The game stops now.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by areo16

Again for the Germans, are the WW2 veterans treated well? Does the government give the benefits?

YUP! especially when the President of the United States come to town- this one got swept under the carpet of history as he laid a wreath in 1985 at the graves of Waffen SS soldiers. His remarks upon the occasion in response to criticism: "These [SS troops] were the villains, as we know, that conducted the persecutions and all. But there are 2,000 graves there, and most of those, the average age is about 18. I think that there's nothing wrong with visiting that cemetery where those young men are victims of Nazism also, even though they were fighting in the German uniform, drafted into service to carry out the hateful wishes of the Nazis. They were victims, just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps" After 1943, the Waffen SS in fact did draft members due to the immense losses of elite troops in Russia and Normandy. Reagan's gesture: Still regarded as a controversial act to this day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitburg http://www.aberjonapress.com/catalog/wss/excerpt.html

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Okay, you've both had your say. The game stops now.

I do wish you would make your mind up.
Challenge what he says, provide information and arguments.
So I follow your instructions and you go off on one again.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

I do wish you would make your mind up.
Challenge what he says, provide information and arguments.
So I follow your instructions and you go off on one again.

Challenging what he said would involve posting research involving his current post. Providing information would involve looking up and posting links to articles that prove what you claim. Providing arguments would involve actually discussing the subject in a civilized manner.

He just claimed he's not anti-anything. You say different? Look up and post links to places where he has said what you claim. So far you have provided no information, arguments or real challenges. What you have done is mock him, and little else. You know where that gets you.

I'm giving you the chance to actually post something real. I'd suggest you take it.

[Catfish]

How are "war veterans" like Henry Kissinger being treated, in the USA ?

Just trolling.

[Sailor Steve]

I'm treated quite well, thank you.

Challenging what he said would involve posting research involving his current post.

What research is required?
None whatsoever.
No hold on, I get it. if he writes....
Tribesman wants me to shut up, I can't say more, sorry
I know that is false , but I can prove it false by "researching" and quoting something relevant like .....to me the best solution for the ideoliogy is to put it right out in plains sight, give it a big platform under a full spotlight and laugh at the idiots and their conspiracies and hatred.

Though in academic interest should I amend the typos in the source material or add the little (sic) to go all latin on it?

He just claimed he's not anti-anything.

So he is a liar.

Look up and post links to places where he has said what you claim.

You are a moderator, are you able to pull up any of the anti semitic signatures he has had to remove?
That would be pretty compelling evidence wouldn't it
You know they exist and you know his long history of anti jewish and "anti occidental"posts, when knowledge of these facts is so common why would it have to be cited every time?
If I was to say the world is sort of round would I have to provide a picture of the globe or is it simply a given?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

What research is required?

He just made a long post. If you want to respond to that you need to do so. Not call names, but respond to what he has written.

So he is a liar.

That's for you to prove. As you've been warned many times, you need to provide the research yourself, not just make fun of people.

You are a moderator, are you able to pull up any of the anti semitic signatures he has had to remove?

No, I'm not.

You know they exist and you know his long history of anti jewish and "anti occidental"posts, when knowledge of these facts is so common why would it have to be cited every time?

Because this is a public forum. If you claim something, you need to back up the claim with facts. Otherwise it's just allegations, and that is not allowed.

If I was to say the world is sort of round would I have to provide a picture of the globe or is it simply a given?

Not even close to being the same thing. If what you say is true, then it's up to you to provide the evidence. If he posts things that are forbidden here, then he gets in trouble. So far you are the only one doing that. Either way, we don't mock other members. Last warning.

He just made a long post. If you want to respond to that you need to do so. Not call names, but respond to what he has written.

Did I quote what I was responding to
Did I respond to it
Did I quote additional material to support what I wrote
Calling someone a Nazi isn't calling names, its a description of a rather disgusting political ideology.

That's for you to prove.

Already proven

No, I'm not.

But you are familiar with the material aren't you?
So why do you question its existence?
Are you just trying to be awkward.

Because this is a public forum. If you claim something, you need to back up the claim with facts. Otherwise it's just allegations, and that is not allowed.

Are you denying the truth of it?

Not even close to being the same thing. If what you say is true, then it's up to you to provide the evidence.

Exactly the same thing.

If he posts things that are forbidden here, then he gets in trouble.

So, does he get in trouble when he posts some of that neo Nazi stuff?

So far you are the only one doing that.

That's strange, I could have sworn someone had a little red marker next to one of their posts.